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Tuberville Throws Support Behind Electoral College Challenge

Discussion in 'Current Events' started by Esperance, Dec 18, 2020.

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  1. Egoboy

    Egoboy Well-Known Member Donor

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    See! You are better than Wood, in that you can spell the word penalty....
     
    Egoboy, Dec 22, 2020
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    Bluesguy Well-Known Member Donor

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    I don't care about Trump's lawyers and they do not dictate to me. And they have not been able to make their case in court they have been dismissed on technical grounds the core issues remain.
     
    Bluesguy, Dec 22, 2020
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    Egoboy Well-Known Member Donor

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    Egoboy, Dec 22, 2020
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  4. Andrew Jackson

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    If such "core issues" (actually) exist (and aren't just a Manifestation of Trump's Latest Fever Dream), then after Biden is sworn in, such "issues" should be addressed.
     
    Andrew Jackson, Dec 22, 2020
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    Bluesguy Well-Known Member Donor

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    And THAT's why we go to court, to adjudicate it. And we have HUNDREDS of such affidavits. Yes it is eye witness testimony. If someone walks up to your mother and hits her in the head with a two by four killing here and 10 witnesses give sworn testimony to a grand jury, where there is no cross examination, do you think there is a no bill because there was no evidence? If it goes before a jury do you think it gets dismissed for lack of evidence? And as far as I know all those who have filed them are willing to take the stand.

    BTW

    18 U.S. Code § 3502.Admissibility in evidence of eye witness testimony
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    The testimony of a witness that he saw the accused commit or participate in the commission of the crime for which the accused is being tried shall be admissible in evidence in a criminal prosecution in any trial court ordained and established under article III of the Constitution of the United States.
    https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/3502

    I think you are confusing the allegations of a victim are not evidence. Witnesses to that allegation are.
     
    Bluesguy, Dec 22, 2020
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    Bluesguy Well-Known Member Donor

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    No need to wait it can start right now.
     
    Bluesguy, Dec 22, 2020
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    The affidavits mean less than nothing. They are not credible and not even consistent with one another. It is so sad to watch this. The affidavits are not evidence. Affidavits are testimony, and the source of this testimony is trump supporters who went to a trump fundraising website, instead of to the formal channels we have in place to report fraud (DHS, FEC< FBI). The fact that anyone thinks they are credible, much less that they carry any legal weight whatsoever, is really pathetic and sad and is just the death knell of this cultish fantasy.
     
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    Vailhundt, Dec 22, 2020
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    Please demonstrate this to be true.
    Please demonstrate this to be true.
    Hoe does this mean their testimony isn't truthful and factual?

    The fact that you reject these affidavits out of hand is really pathetic and sad and a demonstration of childish fantasy.
     
    TOG 6, Dec 22, 2020
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    Affidavits are testimony, not evidence. We have to demonstrate definitions, now? I suppose I could buy you a dictionary...
     
    Vailhundt, Dec 22, 2020
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    It's not him rejecting them. It's every court they've been presented to. Numerous rulings delivered by the judges absolutely shredded the affidavits that were presented.
     
    rahl, Dec 22, 2020
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    Except, HERE is the Problem.

    It is easy to.laugh "Sworn Affidavits" out of Court when THIS is the other "evidence":

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    "Sworn Affidavits" prove nothing.

    This guy "swore" that he saw the Roswell Aliens.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_Haut

    Sure thing.

    "Sworn Affidavits"?:roflol:
     
    Andrew Jackson, Dec 22, 2020
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    :lol:
    Testimony - is - evidence.
    If you had a dictionary, you'd know this.

    So, again:
    Demonstrate these statements to be true.
    How does this mean their testimony isn't truthful and factual?
    The fact that you reject these affidavits out of hand is really pathetic and sad and a demonstration of childish fantasy.
     
    TOG 6, Dec 22, 2020
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    Total WASTE of Time.

    Especially during Holiday Recess.
     
    Andrew Jackson, Dec 22, 2020
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    Affidavits can be considered evidence... the problem is most Trump election affidavits have been discounted as unreliable, in court after court (after court after court). Testimonial evidence is always subject to a reliability test...

    I'm reading the Iowa election challenge now, which has upwards of 40 affidavits attached.... we'll see how much weight Congress gives those affidavits...
     
    Egoboy, Dec 22, 2020
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    Good question, EB.

    "how much weight"?

    Here would be my take:

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    Andrew Jackson, Dec 22, 2020
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    Where was all this evidence when they originally went off to the courts? Or was that a part of their "strategy"?
     
    gamewell45, Dec 22, 2020
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    They had none then and have none now. They have told themselves so many times that there IS evidence, they have completely abandoned the idea that it must actually be presented.
     
    Vailhundt, Dec 22, 2020
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    I was referring to the Iowa Congressional challenge... I've completely moved on from anything that might happen on Jan 6th as inconsequential, but the potential refusal to seat a Congresswoman during an election challenge 3 days earlier would be fascinating.

    You need to read some of this AJ (Only 44 pages of filing with 100+ pages of affidavits).... Does she (along with Marc Elias) have a case to get a 'uniform recount' in the 2nd district of Iowa? I think she does...

    https://www.democracydocket.com/wp-...A-02-Notice-of-Contest-and-Appendix-Scan1.pdf

    When you start listing individual VOTERS who were disenfranchised, and their stories, that catches my attention over "general fraud claims"
     
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    Egoboy, Dec 22, 2020
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    Oh, ok, EB.

    I will read that.

    Thx for the heads up.
     
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    And what possible change could arise from a recount? And since when do we do recounts based on sworn statements that arent even consistent with each other?
     
    Vailhundt, Dec 22, 2020
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    Egoboy, Dec 22, 2020
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    All the state cases have been technical dismissals? What about "This Court has been presented with strained legal arguments without merit and speculative accusations, unpled in the operative complaint and unsupported by the evidence. In the United States of America, this cannot justify the disenfranchisement of a single voter, let alone all the voters of its sixth most populated state. Our people, laws, and institutions demand more.”
     
    Brit, Dec 22, 2020
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    Vailhundt, Dec 22, 2020
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    Speaking of unevidenced claims - post # 187 awaits your response.
     
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  25. Egoboy

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    From somebody who didn't read the filing... A lot of evidence in there, including a letter from an Election Auditor apologizing that they couldn't count a woman's vote due to office negligence...

    But the larger question is why I'm wasting my time with somebody who won't bother reading something.

    ???
     
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