Black teen accused of stealing phone in viral incident at NYC hotel says he's shell shocked

It doesn't matter what the kid wants. What matters is what the DA thinks.

 

I think it does. The kid and the father were the victims of the alleged assault. I am not sure what the father wants but I believe the kid stated he only wanted an apology which speaks to the severity level of the assault. Pretty much everyone else commenting is just speculating.

 

Regarding post #22: typo, I meant lunged, not lounged. And it's too late to edit but I should have included the link to the CNN article I mentioned several times; here it is:

https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/30/us/keyon-harrold-iphone-incident-new-york/index.html

I quoted it from memory and re-reading it, I see that my memory was faulty in some details; for example, it's the chief of detectives at NYPD who said what I attributed to "a detective assigned to the case", and other details.

 

I'm talking legally. The police and the DA can independently go ahead with the charges regardless of what the kid wants. Law enforcement are not speculating... The charges they are planning to file are based on video evidence from the hotel security cameras:

“Our perpetrator initially started a verbal argument of this accusation and then tried to attack our teenager by grabbing for his phone, grabbing his leg and trying to tackle him. Our victim didn’t suffer any injuries. But his father, who he was with, received slight injuries.”

Harrison said the case was initially classified as harassment after police were called to the hotel, but that has since changed. “After we were able to get video, we’re now looking to charge this individual with assault and maybe even look at grand larceny or maybe even attempted robbery,” he said at the 1 Police Plaza press briefing.

https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/police-ve-identified-file-charges-200000991.html

Haha, exactly what I said in post #22 (although I hadn't anticipated grand larceny)

 

Honestly, i didn't take in that bit of the story properly. Indeed, that all makes it worse.

 

That may be technically true, but it should matter what the kid wants.

 

I'm speaking legally (although I'm no lawyer... like I said, I'll defer to higher expertise if someone here has it / demonstrates it). Even if the woman apologizes to the family and the boy gets satisfied, the police and the DA may still pursue charges if they feel that the woman acted criminally... which they clearly do, as per post #29 which includes a portion of the press briefing at 1 Police Plaza (if you're not familiar with NYC, that's the NYPD headquarters).

Talking from the human point of view, sure, what the boy says should matter... he seems to be a nice boy, just asking for an apology. But that's not how the law goes.

A more extreme example, but enough to demonstrate the point: say that a woman accuses her husband of domestic violence, but then, either intimidated or regretful or ambivalent, she drops the charges... the DA may still choose to prosecute the perpetrator.

 

Thanks. That is additional information I was unaware of since I read the article. I am still not convinced that the charges will not be dropped. The only thing that makes me think that may not happen is the lawyer, Ben Crump, is pushing hard for charges. I had heard a lawyer had reached out to the family but I did not know they retained him. I don't know much about this lawyer but his tweets seem suspect.

 

Well it has either happened or it hasnt.

The "cute" part is making the assumption that it has happened multiple times to this particular child that would generate a response like that.

I remember the walmart receipt incident from some time back, the black couple refused to show a receipt, and for whatever reason that was ok. I've shown my receipt when asked before and the primary reason is that I'm not a ****ing dick.

 

He's 14. He is not capable of understanding the issue to that level.

Would your opinion be the same if it was a man doing that to a 14-year old girl?

 

Oh, the charges won't be dropped. The father and the mother are very angry and very adamant about pursuing the charges. The mayor got involved too. I'm quite sure the DA will go ahead with the charges. It doesn't mean the woman will be convicted, or if convicted, will serve time. But charges will be filed, I'm quite sure of that. As for the lawyer, he is a "civil rights" lawyer, so, he will probably try to bump up everything and make a big drama out of it. They are planning to file a civil rights discrimination charge against the hotel, too (I think their case for that is even better, like I explained in post #22). Most likely, if they obtain a victory in the criminal cases, they will next sue the hotel for damages, and the hotel will probably settle, not to have the negative publicity. I do think that the hotel screwed up, maybe more than the woman, paradoxically... the woman had the attenuating circumstance of believing that her phone was stolen... while the hotel had no justification whatsoever for siding with the non-guest, the woman, over the guest, the boy, especially given that the woman assaulted the boy.

 

That is quite different. A private business has the right to have such rules: "our customers may be asked to show a receipt, as part of our policies to decrease shoplifting which is a significant strain on our bottom line." The remedy for the customer is to not shop there and take his/her business elsewhere, but if the customer chooses to shop there, then the customer is implicitly accepting the business' rules. Like, Costco asks all customers to see their receipts every time. If one doesn't like it, one is not forced to have a Costco membership and shop there.

In this case, it wasn't the hotel's property that was assumed to be stolen. The family was at no obligation to show the boy's phone to this lunatic based on her gratuitous accusation. There is no such rule in a hotel: "if you want to rent one of our rooms, you have to show your phone to strangers who walk in and are not our guests, if they accuse you of stealing their phone; if you don't like this rule you can go to another hotel."

That doesn't exist. Don't compare apples and oranges.

 

Inevitable she would come forward:

 

I'm sure the kid is traumatized and his family is angry. People die over false accusations and shouldn't have to perpetually defend or explain themselves to random lunatics like this woman.

Agreed

 

but would she need to do that if she falsely accused a white person?

 

Yes, of course.

 

If you really don't know then you should.

Anything white on black is racial, no matter how trivial.

Anything black on white is justifiable, no matter how horrific.

 

At 14 a boy can decide to change his gender and become a woman.

But at 14 he's not capable of understanding the the issue here?

 

Black kids play knockout games and the MSM ignores it. Black people commit crimes against white people at alarmingly disproportionate levels and NOTHING. BUT A Woman mistakenly accuses black kid of stealing phone and it’s a HUGE DEAL!! Can you say messed up priorities and the typical and irresponsible “EVERYTHING is racist” narrative.

Watching all these interviews of people waxing poetic about racial injustice and how HORRIBLE this was is hilarious!!! Crazy people do crazy things all the time and this woman certainly had something going on. But just think about this. If the kid simply and calmly showed her his home screen easily proving who’s phone it is, how easily wouod this have been deescalated. But you can hear, “you don’t have to show her anything...”.

This is akin to when people sit in the wrong seat at the movies or at a game. If a black person was sitting in my seat at a football game and I asked to show his ticket to clear things up and he refused with an attitude, who’s in the wrong? Am I racist for just asking? There is a rational way of dealing with a situation and the stupid way. She was certainly overreacting, but this would be a total NON STORY if it was 2 Black people, 2 white people and especially if the races were reversed.

Now they want to protest over this incident. Where were these people when a white person gets innocently shot or robbed by a black person? REAL LOSS AND THEFT and DEATH, not this BS race baiting crybaby crap. And the MSM is responsible for spreading this ****, escalating the issue. It’s like there’s a manhunt for her. Yet we have hours of videos of Black people breaking into shops actually stealing/destroying during the riots and none of them are getting charged?

Our proprieties are really out of whack.

 

I'm not sure why you are trying to score points with me on the first point. I don't agree with that, either.

Now what?

 

He does not owe the bitch a peak at his phone.

 

Is that what you would do if a lunatic stranger approached you and demanded to see your phone?

 

A 14 yr old can make decisions on this subject.

If we agree on that then we agree.

This is not national news (although I've seen it 4 times on the national news). Two white people and the networks don't cover this.

 

Two wrongs don't make a right. Completely off topic, too. Also, completely unrelated concepts.

Also, can you prove your assertion? https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2020/02/child-gender-reassignment-rights-prevalence-world/

 

Not sure what I asserted, I was just making a point that if people think that a 14 yr old can decide something as serious as gender reassignment. they can decide if one lady who offended them will he punished to the fullest extent or not.

I never stated that the gender peeps were right or wrong about it.

My opinions on the gender issue are best kept to myself.