What kind of party does this?

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  1. Bluesguy

    Bluesguy Well-Known Member Donor

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    Except for our Federal Republic which proved far better and the reason it has existed for as long as it has as opposed to a Democracy which would not have last over 50 years if that long.
     
  2. Bluesguy

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    How you think 3/4's of the states would vote to do so, if so I got that bridge to sell you.
     
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    Which is irrelevant.
     
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    Which by the way is what you've been engaged in almost since you sarted
    And part of the purpose of that was to make sure that slavery would one day end
     
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    garyd Well-Known Member

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    Except Congress alone can't amend anything. It also takes passage by 3/4 of the states.
     
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    Never going to happen most states simply aren't going to vote to become politically irrelevant.
     
  7. Cybred

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    The question was asked "am I for it" I am.
     
  8. Bluesguy

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    Is China a democracy?

    Tell me do you support the what appears to be SCOTUS decision on RvW that it should be settled by democracy because we are a democracy?
     
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    Nope.
    Nope, do we vote for POTUS, congresspeople?
     
  10. Bluesguy

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    There goes your thingy about voting makes it a democracy.

    You vote for state electors in your state and you only do so by the good graces of your state legislature there is no constitutional require they allow you to. As you for your congress members in your state, those are not national elections. And in fact for the early part of the country the people did not vote for Senators even in their own state. The 17th Amendment changed that and it should be repealed.
     
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    In politics there are always two versions of every fact. I know you don't like to hear that. But a politically charged fact is just an opinion. Sorry.
     
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    That isn't enough to meet the definition of a true democracy. In a true democracy the people vote on policy, not just people. We do elect presidents and congresspeople. That is a democratic process that is a part of our republican form of government. We are a republic with democratic processes and that certainly beats whatever China is. Just a nitpicking point. Not important.
     
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    So you are unable to understand that NATIONAL ELECTIONS ARE NOT NESSESSARY FOR A DEMOCRACY.
     
  14. Cybred

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    Definition of democracy

    1a: government by the peopleespecially : rule of the majority
    b: a government in which the supreme power is vested in the people and exercised by them directly or indirectly through a system of representation usually involving periodically held free elections

    We are a democracy.
     
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    Yeah, so. Not sure why that means we shouldn't amend it. The only amendments that would fail are partisan.
     
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    You need 3/4 of the states to vote for the required amendment like it or not whether you favor it or not is entirely irrelevant.
     
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    Because all these state out here in fly over country aren't going to vote to become politically irrelevant
     
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    Yep, they got their affirmative action and they don't want to give it up.
     
  19. Patricio Da Silva

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    There is the event, and there is only one proper interpretation of the following fact:

    We have evidence of Trump, in rally after rally after rally, declaring that 'the only way Democrats can win is if they rigged the election' and declaring it before the first ballot was cast.

    That is a fact. So, when the irregularities turned up, as they do in every election, Trumping, having primed the 'fraud' pump, given that his fans will believe any damn thing he says, he easily got them to believe Dems commited fraud, because he had been telling them that all along, and see, look at all these irregularities, it's 'proof'. (No, it's not proof of squat).

    This fact has caused most of his base to believe it, despite their being no evidence, is the reason they believe it.

    Trump is the source of this belief.

    This is an irrefutable fact.

    There is nothing to debate.
     
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    81,000,000 ballots, the most in history... And yet in only one year that particular elected official has one of the lowest approval ratings in history... I'm no expert but something seems a bit off here...
     
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    Nothing is off people didn't vote FOR biden, they voted AGAINST trump.
     
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    Speaking of Orwell.... I do believe one of his books contain something about a ministry of Truth?

    What kind of party creates that?
     
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    That he says that is a fact. That it happens in an opinion. That it doesn't happen is another opinion. There nothing here other than an opinion with which you disagree.

    It hasn't been investigated. It is all opinions. I agree, there is nothing to debate. There is nothing at all on either side.
     
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    Despite the love of arguing semantics you can say we are representative democracy or a republic with leaders installed by the democratic process. But a true democracy it is not. Switzerland has a true democracy, for instance. You are free to define terms as you see fit but you need to use classic definitions when arguing my words.
     
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    Is American Democracy Built to Last?

    When Yascha Mounk went on a German television program to talk about the rise of authoritarianism in Western democracies, he never expected a seemingly innocuous remark to cause such a stir. “We are embarking on a historically unique experiment — that of turning a monoethnic and monocultural democracy into a multiethnic one,” Mounk said. “I think it will work,” he continued, betraying some doubt in his mind. “But of course it also causes all kinds of disruptions.” The observation made Mounk an instant target of extremists on both sides of the Atlantic Ocean.

    That experience inspired Mounk’s new book, “The Great Experiment: Why Diverse Democracies Fall Apart and How They Can Endure,” which warns that countries like the United States are not as stable or immune to violent conflict as they appear. “The history of diverse societies is grim,” Mounk writes. Surveying the turbulent history of the world’s democracies, he frets that they have “worryingly little experience” with being truly inclusive. Politicians like Donald Trump, Marine Le Pen and Viktor Orban, he says, might be only the vanguard of a backlash against ethnic and religious diversity that could end democracy as we know it.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/29/us/politics/us-democracy.html

    Some of us have contended for years that Trump, and the authoritarian movement he represents, is an existential threat to democracy.
     

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