The Great (Gun Ban) Hoax Liberals are pushing. Lets do the math

Of course 95% are for stopping another Uvalde. Nobody but the literal criminally insane would be in favor of something like that happening again...

The problem with "sensible gun laws" is that such a buzz phrase doesn't include anything it just sounds good. And when they do actually come out with a list of proposals under "sensible gun laws" it turns out that most of that stuff is already the law and/or would have stopped NONE of the mass shootings from taking place. They are emotion based laws proposed by lawmakers to appease a scared voting demographic.

5 most recent mass shootings in America were conducted with firearms legally purchased from a licensed FFL dealer by an individual who passed a background check. 5 most deadly mass shootings in the America were conducted with firearms legally purchased from a licensed FFL dealer by an individual who passed a background check. Well, the one kid stole his from his mother who purchased it legally.

Here is what I routinely hear mentioned under the so called "sensible gun law" proposals.
UBC for all firearm purchases - They all passed UBC
No more "gun show loophole - They bought them from the store
No more private sale - They bought them from the store
Red flag laws - Law enforcement knew about nearly ALL of these people being crazy and did nothing. The only one that didn't have any "red flags" about him was the Vegas shooter who seemingly was just a normal everyday guy with no criminal history who went nuts one day so a "red flag" law wouldn't have caught him. LEO's dropped the ball on the rest of them and REALLY dropped the ball in Uvalde.
National Gun Registration - What does that have to do with any of these mass shootings? They bought them from the store..It's not like a registry was needed for the cops to figure out who owned the gun that was just used to shoot up the mall currently in the dead hands of the guy they just shot after he shot up the mall...
Ban standard capacity 30 round magazines - OK I'll give you that one, perhaps the nut having to reload more often would give somebody a chance to take the guy out or run away or something.

Here's the reality. The actual common denominators among these mass shooters are for one they were mostly known crazies, they were able to pass a UBC, they were able to buy guns from the store and not some shady back alley on the black market.
Here is a list of proposals that would actually have a chance at working to slow this down in the future:
-Figure out how to include "crazy" on the list of things searched for on a UBC
-Make Law Enforcement go after people when they are known to be crazy and threaten people
-Ban the guns themselves and make it an automatic life sentence or something for anybody who has one because as you said this is America. Yes there is a gun culture here and no we are not Australia. Americans are not giving their guns to the government in anywhere near the same numbers as Australians did I don't care how large the monetary incentive is.

Trying to implement any of those is going to run into countless Constitutional and civil liberties law roadblocks. And trying to implement the last one would result in a MASSIVE armed riot.

The NRA is nowhere near as powerful as a lobby group as they may have been in the past and even then they were one group. They are used as a scapegoat even today by politicians who know the truth but can't say it out loud because of politics and careers and self interests. You mean to tell me that one lobby group has more power over lawmaking than Congress? No, the reality is that these lawmakers know damn well that trying to actually pass this stuff is career suicide because it's not as popular among voting Americans as carefully worded polls claim.

If a legitimate 85% of Americans wanted something to be done then it would be done regardless of what it is. Congress is dumb but they ain't that dumb. Sure 85% of Americans may want "something to be done" regarding "sensible gun laws" but good luck getting 85% of Americans to agree on individual specific gun laws. There is pretty much nothing in existence that 85% of Americans agree on and politicians know that which is why these "sensible common sense gun laws" aren't flying through Congress and why the President isn't invoking any sort of Executive Order regarding at least some of these laws. 85% is virtually the entire country, if he had the ability to please 85% of the country by just bypassing incompetent Congress who can't get anything done then why would he not do that.

 

Nothing at all.

Propose a law that is not already a law that would have prevented the previous 5 US mass shootings and the 5 most deadly US mass shootings that doesn't include banning AR-15s and I'll keep an open mind and listen.

 

Not at all. Anybody who leaves weapons like that just laying around so anybody can grab them is in fact an idiot...

I don't need to google search what bullets do to people I've seen it with my own eyes on more occasions than I care to remember. If you want to see something even more horrific then google "12ga shotgun injury". The emotional appeal and shock imagery doesn't work with me in particular as I see and do this stuff in real life. Yeah Hollywood makes it seem like real guns are BB guns whereas in real life even a .22 pistol will jack you up way worse than Hollywood thinks a .44 Magnum would. But as I said if your proposal includes banning AR-15s or rifles of that nature which are often misnamed as "assault weapons" then I'm not interested.

We aren't banning the AR's. Even politicians know we aren't banning the AR's and the ones who advocate for that do so out of self interest as a politician to seem "tough on gun violence" when in reality they know such a thing has zero chance of passing Congress even after mass tragedies like Uvalde and Sandy Hook.

Earlier you said what's wrong with some incremental laws to save even a few lives? I agree and I said nothing is wrong with that and shoot over some proposals. What I meant was proposals that were realistically possible to implement. Congress doesn't have the ability to pass a ban on semi-auto rifles. I've said it before and I believe I say it almost each time this conversation takes place, yes Australia did it, yes the UK did it, we are not you folks. Americans are just not going to support that and even if it were somehow magically stamped into law most Americans wouldn't comply with it. You said it yourself there IS a "gun culture" here that is WAY more real and prevalent than ever was in Australia or the UK. Getting semi-auto rifles out of the hands of American citizens is just not going to happen to any reasonable extent. Sure some would comply of course, but it won't be Australia numbers by a long shot.

That's not me pushing a bunch of nonsense bravado or saying "out of my cold dead hands government!!" but that's me stating reality. It can't be passed via legislation right now, Congress doesn't have the support. So what else do you suppose we can do here that has a realistic chance of actually making it into law?

 

Are we still talking about mass shootings? How would this have any impact on mass shootings?