Oath Keeper Leader - Guilty of Seditious Conspiracy

Do you really believe the stuff you make up? Do you even bother to do any research before you just vomit up little thought bubbled like this & post them? Of course not. Why change the habit of a lifetime.

As you are too lazy to educate yourself on the laws of your own nation I've done the work for you:

https://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml... or more persons,force to prevent, hinder, or

See any mention of the President? Nope. I get that you think that Fascism is the best form of government for America (which explains you constantly siding with Republicans), but for the moment 'the government' of America is not the President. He is just part of it. The offences committed clearly fit within that law.

I really should thank you for posts like this. They are a constant reminder that despite not being an American, the bar I have to clear to make informed comment is so low that I'd have to dig to find it.

 

Am I supposed to applaud a court for its incorrect view of the evidence it received? This so-called plot, by its own admission never materialized into anything. And indeed, the judge had to instruct that 'motive' was not a factor(because to do so otherwise, would implicate the evidence that went against the government's case.).

There is no doubt that they obstructed proceedings, engaged violently with officers and improperly invaded the capitol. But one must ask oneself, what is the difference between these and the other charged individuals? The answer is that the government was able to convince a jury that "Okay, so they didn't really act on their plans, but they planned to act on them"

It's comical, is what it is.

 

And here I was hoping you wouldn’t be one of the ‘usual suspects’…

Ah well………

 

I guess they figure that if Trump's DOJ didn't see fit to charge them then why should anyone else. Funny that for al lthe huffing & puffing by right wingers Trump didn't think it was worth a charge. Did he even get them to investigate? Maybe he was too busy arranging for protesters in Portland to be dragged into unmarked vans by people without any ID displayed & held without trial.

Funny how little supposed 'defenders of freedom' care about something that sounds like it was from a third world dictatorship when the people being dragged into unmarked vans are people they don't like.

 

It's not about being a 'usual suspect'. It's about a fact. This was not a plot to overthrow the government(Rhodes, probably. But the rest? Well, the jury found for 3/4, not guilty on that particular case.). I don't see how the Florida charter lady was found guilty of the same, she probably was involved with some texts with Rhodes and agreed, and that was enough.

The very fact that only 2/5 were found, should show that even a liberal jury is at odds with this political statement of a case. What modern day America thinks of as a sedition, the framers would just yawn off. Shay's rebellion was a more direct action against the government, with not as much of a response.

These people are guilty of a crime, they are not guilty of overthrowing the government or even 'conspiring' against it, in their own harbrained fashioned.
As others have pointed out, if this is a seditious conspiracy then CHAZ was all the same and the statue of limitations haven't expired.

So we're all presently waiting, if this is in fact an 'impartial finding of facts'.

 

What's comical is that, in the sentence in bold, you've convicted them of seditious conspiracy.

 

Not so. While the word 'impede' exists within the framework of the USC law of seditious conspiracy, just as the prosecutor has 'prosecutorial discretion', were I a member of the jury I feel as though I also have discretion to interpret the extent and the depth of said impediment.

For example, I do not hold as Judge Napolitano once held when discussing Trump's possible obstruction of justice that being delayed by traffic is the same thing as an impediment. Their jobs do not make them royalty. If traffic's a bitch, deal with it. The riots impeded the proceedings, that much is true. But at that for 3 hours, and to the extent of a so-called 'sediitous' plan, it wasn't a plan that outlined any further than the individuals who texted each other about their desire to go to the capitol that day.

The government wants us to believe in this seditious conspiracy, I instead see a riot. I don't see a RICO organization here, or anything remotely close. Their militia band was formed about 4 years before 2016 and 8 years before 1/6/2020.

Were I a juror, I would have voted as the law instructs. To me, there wasn't a seditious conspiracy to overthrow the government. There was a riot to disrupt proceedings, but the government's legitimacy is unchallenged by those 3 hours.

 

The "ACT" of delaying Congress with the goal of changing the outcome of an election IS Sedition.
That there were two or more people involved IS conspiracy.

 

Others have pointed in the past to the Kavanaugh hearings, among others. This is a very selective interpretation of the DOJ to claim 'sedition'. While the House is of course fully authorized to vote and engage in its congressional activities, the act of disrupting said congressional activities isn't by itself a seditious act. What were the plans afterward? How did they imagine this going? The prosecution mostly dropped those aspects, because those aspects largely don't even exist(wow, sounds like it was more spontaneous then it was planned!)

The difference between a seditious conspiracy and a riot, is the planning aspect. The government only very loosely tackled that(the hotel and ammunition) but the case also neglects that in reality, those weapons weren't really available to them as testified by the government's own witnesses.

In this post alone, I have summarized the government's position but I also point out government's flaws(flaws that existed for 3/5ths of the members charged with the conspiracy as proved by not being guilty of that charge.). To me, the only one guilty is Rhodes who spoke violently against Trump(the then-President of the US.) now that's an actual act of sedition.

 

Their stated goal was to alter the out come of OUR election, and they attacked Congress to achieve it; that's sedition. They/their implies conspiracy.

 

Oh I see....pick and choose....and only prosecute your opponents. Got it. Typical.

 

NO, you don't. That's NOT at all what he said.

Well, unless by "your opponents" you mean those that "OPPOSE" our Government. Yes, prosecuting them would be VERY typical, AND expected.

 

The jury was going to convict him no matter what.

 

Glad to hear THAT!
It was a Slam Dunk Case...
The System Working to Perfection...

 

Biased juries are a perfect system?

 

So YOU believe and everyone is entitled to their own opinion. Nonetheless, our country has always been about the judiciary determining what is what is not and that is what happened here.

On the opposite side or YOUR argument, Trump has been 100% guilty of many things over the past 6 years and it has been the judiciary system through the lawyers he has hired that has kept him out of jail.

We all have to live with it. It is what it is.

 

Well, not yet. There is still the orange stain on our country.

 

What proof is there that this is Hunter's laptop?

 

Exactly when did Trump give these "specific directions to protest peacefully and patriotically" ?

Was it on Dec 19th when he said "Be there, will be wild" ?

And the 800+ that have been charged with storming the capital were following Trump's directions?

 

Link!?!?

 

So sad that Trump's unpatriotic thugs weren't charged with "insurrection".
Remember when these guys and Proud Boys were indicated with SC all we kept hearing was butt-butt they weren't charged with insurrection.
Everytime the criminal codes were pointed out to them they ignored it. lol

Up to 10 yrs + fines for insurrection
Up to 20 yrs + fines for seditious conspiracy..

 

Hopefully, these traitorous criminals get the Max...

 

Not sure if there is one for a FALSE Claim of a "Biased Jury"...

 

A building is getting on Elon Musk??

Too funny.

Give us a single name and a statement, if you can...

We need to protect Poor Elon....

 

Yeah, Elon's a victim..... The Chinese and the Kingdom like to privately invest in oligarch victims.