Derek Chauvin stabbed by inmate in federal prison, seriously injured

It happens, my brother got 100 years knocked off his sentence and got out a few months ago. 100 out of 120.

 

Weird then if the knee was the cause, why was he complaining about not being able to breath well before that?

 

Not only that but at least twice Chauvin and his partner (the one stalking about keeping the crowd back with bear mace) admit on camera they strongly suspect Floyd to be doped up on something. Meaning they admit the key fact to the murder: That they knew or suspected he was doped up and so should not have been restrained in that particular position for longer than it took to get the cuffs on.

Partner says "this is why you don't do drugs kids" at the beginning to the crowd, and Chauvin nods/snickers.
After the incident, Chauvin's body cam records an incident with a witness who calls him a murderer. He explains he had to do it because the guy was doped up.

Add that to the rookies recalling their training and bringing it up and him overruling them and he REALLY should have pled out.

 

Chauvin was trained no to put someone he suspected was on dope in the position he put Floyd in.
Chauvin admits on camera he thought Floyd was on dope.
Floyd died as a result of being put in the position Chauvin knew not to put him in in that condition for the EXACT REASON that you see IE they tend to ****ing die and its your fault.

 

You do realize you can roll him on his side and just cuff his ankles too right?

Ask me how I know.

 

Sounds like he's going to survive..... will be interesting to see if he's housed in a more secure environment after this (like an NAACP meeting)....

 

The murder charge was based on his training, and his decision to override the other officers who reminded him of his training.
His mens rea at that point graduates from mere gross negligence to pure recklessness, from should have known to did know and didn't ****ing care.
He didn't catch murder one because it wasn't his intent to kill him, merely to give him a little "stick time" of a sort.

 

False.
Per Chauvin's training, he was not to place a person he suspected was on the dope in that position. Why? Because it leads to the exact result you saw.
He disregarded his training, acted outside the course and scope of his duty thereby, and voided his qualified immunity.
He committed a reckless homicide, was tried and convicted for same.
Let it go already.

 

False, Chauvin directly contributed to his death and had training explicitly prohibiting him doing what you see him doing on the tape.
You admit "HIS RESITING ARREST" helped kill him, but that's the issue: How Chauvin restrained him went directly against his training on what to do with a doped up suspect to avoid blame for the EXACT situation you see.

 

False, Floyd was going into pulmonary arrest before Chauvin even got there and they followed their MRT training to a tee as has been demonstrated already but go and watch the new evidence presented in the new video about it with ALL the body cam footage and the officers interviews.

The PHYSICAL resisting arrest started before Chauvin even got there and is what help cause the pulmonary arrest he went into, along with the drugs in his system. After they FINALLY got him into the vehicle he refuse to calm down and began hurting himself banging around in the vehicle and fought his way out the other side and onto the ground. There he continued to fight with them kicking the officers and hitting his head on the ground. Chauvin now the ranking officer there went to his training and ordered them to use the MRT technique they were trained to use in such a situation and they kept telling to stop fighting and to calm down as were the by standers pleading with him to stop resisting, and finally he did begin to calm down but it was not voluntarily, he was dying because his heart could not pump blood through his lungs.

Nothing the officers did caused his death, nothing they could have done would have prevented it.

 

That's a little bit of a laugh.
The way I see it, since they believed he was doped up on something, there also existed more reason to restrain him.

If he wasn't thinking clearly, he might have done something stupid like try to get up and make a run for it into the traffic on the street.
Sometimes drugs can also give suspects enhanced strength and an inability to feel pain, making them even more difficult for officers to control.
A rational person, if they were going through a medical emergency, would not try to resist or escape, on the ground in handcuffs with police officers present. But this is not necessarily true of a person under the influence of drugs.

 

Several times they asked Floyd was he on drugs and he said NO. He did not die because of any position in which he was in he died because of his grossly unhealthy heart, the drugs he lied about inducing and the physical struggle HE engaged in. He was dying back when he was standing up and no officer had touched his neck or chest, he was already telling them "I can't breath" because that is what it felt like to him. And they called the EMT's to get there. ALL Floyd had to do was get in the vehicle and await the medical help but it is doubtful even that could have saved him at that point. And then he continued the struggle and refuse to remain calm until he threw himself onto the ground where the officers went to their MRT training to protect not just themselves by Floyd from HIMSELF as he had already injured himself fighting with them.

 

The murder charge was based on the lies the Chief told on the stand about their training as I have previous linked to. Go watch the new documentary where it is fully detailed with multiple officers stating they ALL received such training and the training document WHICH THE COURT WOUL NOT ALLOW INTO THE PROCEEDING are displayed. They went to their training and were following it. There was nothing they could have done to save Floyd he was in the process of dying before he fought his way to the ground.

Tell me how they were supposed to save him from a pulmonary arrest AND while at the same time protecting themselves from the growing in size and hostility of the crowd around them?

 

They did not follow their training. FFS two of the officers even point out they're not following training to Chauvin who as the senior overrides them.
They were trained to not restrain in the position they restrained floyd, any suspect they thought was on the dope.
Why? To avoid EXACTLY what happened.


They literally could've cuffed his hands behind his back, cuffed his ankles, and rolled him onto his side. If they'd done that, none of them would be in prison.
They were TRAINED to do that. They were TRAINED NOT to cuff him and put him on his chest if they thought he was on dope. Chauvin is on record twice admitting he suspected Floyd was on dope.
Open. Shut. Book em.

 

Per their actual training its not in any way that they could not restrain him.
They simply couldn't restrain him by cuffing his hands behind his back and pressing his chest into the pavement. They were directly trained not to do that to dopers, because dopers tend to die when you do that to them. When you're pressing someone to death, you tend to catch a case for that. So training is to avoid doing that. They didn't follow training.

They could've simply cuffed his ankles, rolled his ass on his side, and otherwise continued to hold him.

 

Except Chauvin admits on camera he suspected dude was on drugs. He even offers that's WHY he did what he did to a witness who calls him a murderer. He outright states the guy was on dope so we had to.
His partner while working the crowd jokes "this is why you don't do drugs kids" and Chauvin nods and snickers.

Per the ME a significant contributory factor was the hold that they were outright trained and instructed not to perform on a suspect of that type.
They did, and the suspect died. Open, shut, book em.

 

Funny, the two rookies at the scene state something different and Chauvin overrules them.

The document isn't allowed as evidence because it is a hearsay statement outside the exceptions, an unsworn out of court statement offered for its truth. Its the same reason a police report is not admissible evidence. All you're doing is demonstrating you didn't understand the proceeding you watched.

They didn't have to save him. They simply had to follow their training so they didn't contribute to his death. They did the opposite of that.

 

Well, I've had handcuffed suspects (and hogtied suspects) that put up fights for longer than that. We had one drunk woman, hogtied because she wouldn't calm down, thrash around so much that two of us had to hold her so that she didn't bash her head on the ground, cage, floor, wall, etc. People in panic mode do all kinds of weird stuff.

Chauvin called for EMS, REASONABLY restrained Floyd and waited for him to chill out. There was ZERO intent to injure or harm Floyd but Minneapolis had already decided the outcome even before the evidence was presented.

 

would people be saying the same if a criminal had done the exact same thing to a handcuffed cop and the cop died, saying that would never kill a person so not guilty of murder?

would cops stand around and watch it happen and do nothing?

even most cops condemned this

 

Yes I have read the autopsy report and the previously undisclosed information and memo's about it which you have not. There is NO evidence Floyd's breathing was impaired he did not die because he could not breath he died from pulmonary failure and arrest. YOU don't know what is the evidence and I again suggest you watch the new evidence on your own. And even before this new information the case FOR Chauvin's guilt was HIGH controvertible including what certain evidence was excluded by the judge and why the chief of police was allowed to lie on the stand about the training the the jury not be informed.

OF course not getting a change of venue can get you a verdict tossed on appeal and new trial.

I have been quite clear and the evidence shows the conflict and the ME changing his story and that the autopsy showed NO signs of suffocation or damage to the airway or bruising of the neck. Floyd died from pulmonary failure he was not killed by another human being. It was a political finding because of the lynch mob that was demanding nothing less than Chauvin in prison for murder before any evidence was presented.

Yes the arresting officers, including the black officer involved. And they did everything right in that arrest and followed their proper training in handling the situation just as Chauvin did as the senior officer there. Chauvin wasn't even there when the arrest was made he came after they were trying to get Floyd subdued and into the first vehicle you don't have your facts straight here. Chauvin's boss the chief of police lied under oath about their train as the new documentary indisputably shows and multiple officers attest to along with the actual training documents that were no allowed in court. You are simply go with the false narrative created by the MSM and political left and administers in order to railroad these officers into a prison to appease the lynch mob that was burning down cities across the country demanding the officers heads.

FALSE. Floyd FOUGHT his way out of the vehicle and on to the ground you don't know what you are talking about go watch the documentary that has ALL the body cam footage.

Floyd WAS ALREADY UNDER ARREST.......other officers turned up the drugs in the care..............you don't know what you are talking about this is pointless.

THAT'S the POINT...........it was either withheld of the judge would not let it into court and in the case of the autopsy changed after the fact. The trial was a sham and evidence is evidence presented at trial or not, you have gotten so much so wrong so far you would do yourself well to just go watch it IN FULL yourself especially the body cam footage you never saw else you would not be making the claims your are making here.

 

And you don't need to sit on someone's neck to accomplish that.
Hog tie her, roll her on her side, hold her head so she can't whip it about or try to bite anyone or thump herself. Simple.

Chauvin violated his training, acting unreasonably and outside the course and scope of his duty. His mens rea here was recklessness: He was informed of his training, he knew what might happen, he disregarded the risk and proceeded anyway. The consequences that occur fairly fall on him.

 

All they had to do was follow their training and roll the fornicator on his side.

 

Chauvin wasn't sitting on Floyd's neck. He had his knee in a control position with very little pressure on Floyd but with the ability to apply pressure if it became necessary. You can see Floyd rolling his shoulder and rotating his head most of the time he's down. That wouldn't be possible with debilitating pressure to his neck.

 

Friend: Its called hyperbole. You know what I mean.

However, since you want to be pedantic:

The position he had him in, he was trained not to put someone in that he suspected to be on dope. Why? Because they tend to die.
He admits on camera in his own words that he suspected floyd to be on dope.
When you act against your training as a cop, and use force on someone, you're outside the course and scope of your duty.
When you're outside course and scope and someone dies, you don't have qualified immunity.

 

Exactly, nothing about this went against training.