Derek Chauvin stabbed by inmate in federal prison, seriously injured

sure it is, we know he was involved in the fight as he was stabbed

you're correct, if he was a ward of the state, and handcuffed, that would be wrong

were the guards there to treat his medical issues? or could they wait for 911 to respond and say they were not there to attend to Chauvin's medical issues, thy were there to investigate and secure the prison

I think once one is a ward of the state, those in control of the prisoner have a responsibility to their health concerns, just someone in control of anothers children, they are now the care taker of that prisoner, as the prisoner no longer has the ability to care for themselves

 

Uuhh no that is definitely not true.. we actually have a pretty good timeline of Floyd's cardiopulmonary arrest from the police body cam footage, from the moment he fell unresponsive, to when he stopped breathing, and then finally, to the moment he stopped showing a pulse. Each and every one of these stages was acknowledged by the officers as it was happening, yet at no point did they try to move Floyd to the recovery position(like they are trained to do), or begin administering CPR(like they are trained to do). Instead they maintained pressure on the body and neck, clear up to and through every critical sign they acknowledged on camera.

Note that there were no signs of a cardiopulmonary event before the restraint that was used. Floyd was not nodding off, or unresponsive.. those signs didn't begin until several minutes after he was restrained. We often hear a rational inconsistency from those justifying the retraining methods used by the police, often emphasizing Floyd's strength and how he was resisting arrest, while simultaneously claiming he was already dying.

Dude.. that manual you are sourcing literally says to only use the knee restraint when the subjects are "combative and still pose a threat" and even then so, it says after the subject is restrained using this method, to move the subject to the recovery position to "alleviate positional asphyxia."

This is an actual picture from said training manual



They did not do any of this.. even after he fell unresponsive... even after he stopped breathing... and even after he stopped showing a pulse. Instead they maintained their restraint on the body and neck, all while acknowledging on camera each one of these critical signs. One of the officers suggested moving Floyd to his side, but Chauvin denied the suggestion.


All of this information is pretty well known, and has been discussed and brought to attention for some time now. If you're still getting this information wrong at this point, we're not even talking about a lack of knowledge to the situation that unfolded, but rather a complete unwillingness to learn. We have testimony from the department's use-of-force training instructor. We also have testimony from each and every doctor who examined Floyd. None of these testimonies line up with what you are claiming

 

It would be unusual to do that to someone that was just stabbed 22 times but if he was thought to have been the attacker and was actively trying to resist detention then I suppose it would be fine.

 

I wonder where Floyd would be today if he wasn't.
Look at his record of armed robbery, drugs, passing counterfeit money, and general career thuggery, then imagine him happy and thriving, contributing to his community.
Good ol George, a real loss to society.

George Floyd’s Criminal Past

• George Floyd moved to Minneapolis in 2014 after being released from prison in Houston, Texas following an arrest for aggravated robbery
• On May 25, 2020, Floyd was arrested for passing a counterfeit $20 bill at a grocery store in Minneapolis
• He was under the influence of fentanyl and methamphetamine at the time of arrest
• Floyd has more than a decade-old criminal history at the time of the arrest and went to jail at least 5 times
• George Floyd was the ringleader of a violent home invasion
• He plead guilty to entering a woman’s home, pointing a gun at her stomach and searching the home for drugs and money, according to court records
• Floyd was sentenced to 10 months in state jail for possession of cocaine in a December 2005 arrest
• He had previously been sentenced to eight months for the same offense, stemming from an October 2002 arrest
• Floyd was arrested in 2002 for criminal trespassing and served 30 days in jail
• He had another stint for a theft in August 1998

 

They should have never put Chauvin in a prison with prisoners sentenced to 15+ years.

I think it is possible to argue that some of this blood is on the judge's hands.

(violence like this typically is much less likely to happen in places where the prison population has lower prison sentences)

 

He started in the pulmonary arrest long before he was on the ground go watch the documentary, the first twenty minutes at least, he was complaining he could not breath back at the first vehicle before Chauvin even go there and why they were trying to get him settled in the vehicle. He did not suffocate nor die because he stopped breathing, His airways were never obstructed. He died because his heart could no long pump the blood through the lungs. By the time he did he the ground he was a dead man. The officers HAD moved him first into the sitting position on the sidewalk, then they tried to get him sitting in the air conditioned comfortable car seat but Floyd kept fighting them and resisting them the HE fought his way out of the vehicle and HE demanded he be placed on the ground. You can hear the officers then say they were going into the MRT training as Floyd was injuring himself with his fighting.

False it started back at the first vehicle during the initial arrest where he starts to complain. NOTHING the officers did induced his ultimate death that is ALL on Floyd.

Yes and Floyd and fought them for almost twenty minutes, stopping and starting again, fighting his way out of the vehicle, injuring himself in the vehicle and fighting with them on the ground. At the point with the EMTs arriving at any moment the officers decided to no longer try to get him into the car and the best course would be keep him quiet on the ground. His breathing was never restricted, he did not die because he could not move air in and out his lungs, he died because his heart and pulmonary system failed.

They are NOT required to stop the restraint and give medical assistance for which they are not trained professionals, and Floyd laying on the ground not moving and being quiet was exactly what they were trying to accomplish and had they let him up again expected he would start fighting AGAIN. They did not restrain his neck nor was his breathing constricted.

The fact is all the information wasn't known nor allowed into court. I am the one talking about YOUR sides unwillingness to learn and look at ALL the evidence including all his fellow officers who give their testimonial that they ALL received such training and that that is exactly what they were trained to do with a suspect such as Floyd and in fact it was the Chief who gave such testimony otherwise and they clearly state and prove he lied on the stand.

And the 3rd party use of force expert gave the following

Expert Testifies Chauvin's Actions Were Justified And In Line With Policies

A use-of-force witness gave a new point of view to former Minneapolis police officer Derek Chauvin's trial on charges of murder and manslaughter. The defense witness said Tuesday that Chauvin and three other officers' actions were justified during the arrest that ended in George Floyd's death and that they used an appropriate amount of force.

"I felt that Derek Chauvin was justified, was acting with objective reasonableness, following Minneapolis Police Department policy and current standards of law enforcement," Barry Brodd, a former police officer, testified.

Brodd described the position in which Floyd was restrained — facedown on the ground — as being safest for officers and suspect. And he added that holding a person in that position does not make it more dangerous."

"If the officer is justified in using the prone control, the maintaining of the prone control is not a use of force. It's a control technique," he testified.

"It doesn't hurt."...

https://www.npr.org/sections/trial-...ions-were-justified-and-in-line-with-policies

 

Give me the link to exactly what he said and when. Although it changes nothing as I showed in the message above.

The experts testified Floyd said "I ain't do not drugs" and you can see it in the body cam footage.

You tell me.

And you definition does not show the statements of those in the video are HEARSAY.

The testimonials in the documentary are their DIRECT knowledge.

"Hearsay is an out-of-court statement used to prove the truth of what was said. For example, a police officer testifies about what an eyewitness said to them at a crime scene. In general, prosecutors can't use this testimony to actually prove what happened."
https://www.findlaw.com/criminal/criminal-procedure/hearsay-evidence.html

Feel free to refute their statements and evidence presented.

 

It is literally impossible for someone to survive cardiopulmonary arrest for 20 minutes without CPR (not to mention staying conscious and putting up a fight). What you are claiming is completely nonsensical, and it's no wonder the testimonies from literally every medical expert who examined Floyd does not agree with what you are saying. It is right up there with the defense's claims that the exhaust from a parked hybrid car contributed to Floyd's death. It is so nonsensical that it almost comes off as satirical

Dude.. MPD officers are literally given CPR training as part of their basic training. When a subject is showing critical signs such as not breathing, or not showing a pulse (as the officers acknowledged in the body cam footage), they are trained to stop and give CPR until professional medics arrive. What do you think CPR stands for? It stand for Cardio Pulmonary Resuscitation. They are literally trained to do the exact thing you are claiming they are not trained to do. Even the police chief of that department testified that officers are trained to provide CPR if someone is in need, and he indicated that Chauvin's failure to render medical aid was a violation of departmental policy... and you really can't claim that they were unaware of what was going on, because they acknowledge each critical stage as it was happening, and still they maintained pressure on the body and neck

https://www.rev.com/blog/transcript...se-of-force-in-derek-chauvin-trial-transcript

I suggest watching or reading the entire testimony you are referring to, because that expert literally testified exactly what I said in my previous post. Hell, you should probably read the entire article you posted.. at this point I'm convinced you didn't even bother to do that, because it's right there in the article, the use of force must be justified from beginning to end, and once the subject is restrained they are to be moved to the recovery position to prevent positional asphyxia

Again, the use of force was a part of their training, however once the subject is restrained, you are supposed to move them into the recovery position. Here's a transcript of this testimony that was not included in the article


SCHLEICHER: And the dangers of positional asphyxia due to being restrained in the prone position is a known risk; is that right?

BRODD: Yes.

SCHLEICHER: And it's something you know about. True?

BRODD: Yes.

SCHLEICHER: It's something you teach in your courses, correct, in training?

BRODD: Yes.

SCHLEICHER: And this is something -- you have been in law enforcement, did you say since 1972?

BRODD: For 79 years -- excuse me -- for 29 years.

SCHLEICHER: OK, 29 years. At what point did you become aware of the dangers associated with

positional asphyxia?

BRODD: Probably late '80s.

SCHLEICHER: So, over 30 years that you have been aware of the dangers of positional asphyxia, right?

BRODD: Yes.

SCHLEICHER: And would you agree that that's something commonly understood in law enforcement, that this is a known risk?

BRODD: Yes.

SCHLEICHER: So this is not new information?

BRODD: No.

SCHLEICHER: And there are ways to mitigate against the risks of positional asphyxia that are known to law enforcement; is that right?

BRODD: Yes.

SCHLEICHER: And I think what you testified to is the side recovery position. Can you describe the side recovery position?

BRODD: So, when a suspect is handcuffed, you just pull them to their side and have them tuck their knees up, kind of like a fetal position almost.

 

I'm not familiar with federal prison...but unfortunately I've had relatives in State prisons...and normally prisoners in minimum security prisons or work prisons that partner with private industry are safer because those prisoners are either on the edge of being released or they are motivated to not be kicked out and placed in a much worse situation. The guy who did the stabbing was almost at the end of his sentence.

 

right, but if they start putting murders in them, then are they really safer?

 

There are some pretty horrendous murderers in minimum security prisons OR moderate environments that might as well be considered minimum. Its a matter of not having infractions that build your privilages. But from what I understand---even people who have done terrible things are motivated to keep up good behavior towards other prisoners because they don't want to lose privilages or be thrown into a much more unsafe environment.

I'm thinking that the prison wasn't trying to put the excop in a bad situation...they might have thought it safer then maximum security (which does not mean maximum security to keep prisoners safe lol) . And no one is thrown into solitary for a large amount of time. Its temporary and then you are back into the population.

This is one reason that I believe death penalty is justified for those extreme cases where there is no remorse and the murderer will most likely kill again.

 

A deadly BLM attack? What a surprise.

 

I do agree, that is why we have good time and privileges for good prisoners - keeps guards and other prisoners safer

as for cops and child molesters, they will never be safe in general pop, if they want to keep them safe, they need to isolate them, maybe a special prison even

 

The DoJ, the FBI, and the Federal Prison system knows that. He is in Gen Pop to be murdered. It was a white assailant for a reason. Prison shot callers for the blacks probably felt it was too hot for them, so a deal was made to have white assailant. Someone, inside or out, is getting something.
The assailant and to be really bad, (or really good) not to kill him.

 

Are there any indicators that the culprit had an association with BLM and was acting on their behalf, or that the victim died?

 

https://www.bet.com/article/o627dd/derek-chauvin-stabbing-symbolic-blm-movement-inmate-says

Why yes he was…. BLM supporters are violent trash that burnt cities, murdered, and again attempted murder and here are leftists celebrating it and supporting BLM… shocker

 

I do wonder if that is why they put pedophiles and cops in genpop, cause you're right, everyone knows what will happen

 

Having been through the system myself I think I can be the voice of experience here....

Any inmate has the right to request protective custody. Most of the time that is in the form of administrative confinement.... You're in the same confinement as those who have gotten in trouble in general population but you are simply not there for disciplinary reasons.

I have also seen institutions that have a protective management unit which is something like general population but only for approved inmates who would otherwise require protective confinement.

If you request protection I believe the administration of the facility is legally required to place you in administrative confinement. Needless to say the protective management units that I have been aware of had lots of pedophiles and ex-police in them.

I believe there are also times when someone will automatically be placed and to protective confinement even if they do not request it, but I cannot say for certain as that is up to the classification department of an institution.

 

I think they should be auto separated, as it's suicidal if they do not request it

 

The only problem with that is, is that they would run out of space for the pedophiles.
You would be disgusted by the amount of pedophiles in prison. It's kind of hard to put them all into protective custody.

High profile former cops are another story

 

Floyd was not asphyxiated or suffocated he did from pulminary failure. Floyd repeatedly got violent with the officers. At that point following their training their goal was too get him to stop fighting, stop SCREAMING, calm down and lie still until he arriving any second EMT's got there AND watch the growing in both size and threat the menecing crowd. THAT was there job at that moment.

 

FYI.. "pulmonary" literally means lungs..... people who suffocate die of cardiopulmonary arrest, the same is true for certain environmental deaths such as drowning, and many others. Their death would be listed as cardiopulmonary arrest, followed by what likely caused the cardiopulmonary arrest. As for George Floyd, his autopsy stated his cause of death was "cardiopulmonary arrest" caused by "subdual, restraint, and neck compression"

and no.. the officers most definitely were not following their training. Their training would be for them to stop using force once it was no longer necessary. Their training would be to move the subject to the recovery position after practicing the subdual methods they used. Their training would be to administer CPR when someone in their custody shows critical signs, such as not breathing or showing no pulse. Instead they maintained pressure on the body and neck, all while acknowledging the moment he was unresponsive, the moment he stopped breathing, and the moment they could no longer find a pulse.

To say that is what they were trained to do is satire level logic... it's not rational

 

They can, but there would be hell to pay if they don't follow procedures when there is no need to do so. Cops are trained not to escalate anything. That is part of their training. Your point is about the same argument as getting run over by a car while you are walking out of your home. So, getting back to Chauvin. Chauvin had two facts: a fake $20 bill and a witness who identified him as the person who passed the fake $20 bill. But for Chauvin to arrest George Floyd on this charge, he needs PC for willful intent to pass the fake $20 bill, which is what the statute describes. He didn't have that. Thus, he should have approached Chauvin to get the information in a calm, collective manner. Dealing with police by anyone is traumatic enough, even when it is a traffic ticket. But Chauvin did not do that. What he did was change the game by claiming George Floyd was on drugs. Forget the toxicology report because Chauvin did not have that at that time. He did not know, not for sure. Maybe a gut feeling, or an instinct, but gut feelings by a police officer is not PC either for any type of arrest especially for drug-related issues. He was not driving. He was sitting in his car, and did not do anything to show that he was on drugs. The Penn case does not work in this situation because it is not the standard for a drug-related case In this case, there was no PC even in that scenario, but Chauvin became the aggressor here, and as a result, it went downhill from there and the result was George Floyd's death, and his conviction. Nothing in that situation did Chauvin do a proper police procedure for either an arrest or detaining the person for questioning. If George Floyd refused the first time, the proper procedure is to call for backup, a supervisor, ask or demand again, tell the consequences for refusal to answer questions, etc. It's a nuisance, it sucks, but that is what he should have done. But Chauvin did not do that. He literally opened the car door and forced him out of the car with no PC on any charge that was before him.

The issue with the court is to render justice. The police report and the arresting officer goes a long way. But that officer must determine the facts first. No DA or assistant DA wants an incomplete report on a suspected charge of whatever, drugs, fake money being passed, or whatever. If the facts are not known, that is open season for defense attorneys and a possible lawsuit for false arrest. Neither the City, the DA office, and the PD wants any of that at all. And no, it is not the argument that anyone can sue anyone at any time for any given reason either. All in all, it was a bad all around. If George Floyd had not died, none of the charges would stick, Chauvin would have been suspended, and a possible lawsuit pending. That is the least negative outcome the MPD would have had that day and it probably would not have made national news at all.

 

If it was a proper arrest. But police can search you even when you are detained, but they need your permission to do so. The key is was it a proper arrest. The answer to that is no. No PC for any charge, and thus the search was improper to begin with.

 

Police are allowed to do a pat down search for weapons even without consent