Early PF poll

Discussion in 'Elections & Campaigns' started by gringo, Jan 24, 2024.

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if the election were tommorrow..who has your vote??

  1. Trump

    20 vote(s)
    48.8%
  2. Biden

    21 vote(s)
    51.2%
  1. JohnHamilton

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    Look at the current poll result. It's 18 to 14 for Biden. Maybe it might have been different if there had been a choice like "neither."

    Biden is the worst president in history. He is underwater on all the major issues. Yet, here he is, in a statistical tie with Trump in the polls and winning here. It shows how unpopular Trump is.
     
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    I currently don’t have Biden winning by 15M but despite the best showing by “other” candidates since 1996 I have him winning comfortably.

    Biden 49.8
    Trump 44.1
    Other 6.1

    2020 was:

    Biden 51.3
    Trump 46.8
    Other 1.9
     
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    Between those two choices I'll take my chances with Trump.
     
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    Jack Hays Well-Known Member Donor

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    The 1958 novel and 1960 film Exodus were hugely influential on popular attitudes.
     
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    Trump's personality vs Biden's political incompetence
     
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    None of the above. Voting for the lesser evil does not excite me nor does it promote a healthy democracy.
     
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    You have to choose one. Four more years of Biden energy policies will put the country in crapper. :toilet: If you usually vote Democrat, vote third party. If you are a Republican, voting third party is the same as a Biden vote. The Dems are the majority party.
     
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    I'd rather have an a**hole would does the right stuff, than a back-slapper who's. almost criminally incompetent.
     
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    The country has been in the crapper for a long time and placed there by partisans that surrender their morals and ethics all to vote for a subjectively arrived at lesser evil. Third party is my only option but have yet to find one that can clear my high standards. Electing morally and ethically compromised leaders is how things have gotten so ****ed up. I want to break the cycle, not perpetuate it. So I wait for a leader that values integrity as much as I. Regrettably I think integrity is far down the list of attributes desired by most voters. Handing the keys to the kingdom to the unapologetically immoral and unethical is insanity!
     
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    The Libertarians had a “kangaroo ticket” (little tiny arms, strong hind legs) in 2016 with a former governor of New Mexico for president, who treated it like a joke, and Bill Weld for VP. Weld was a great Governor of Massachusetts. know it alls, like the late Rush Limbaugh, trashed him, not knowing anything about Weld. If Weld had been at the head of the ticket, I would have been very tempted to vote for him instead of Trump.
     
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    Libertarians are an option. I will be seriously considering them between now and November.
     
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    Biden is old, boring, kinda dumb.

    But a million times better than Trump.
     
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    If the Biden-bot is told to turn against Israel in his second term, you might regret that vote. There are strong anti-Jewish forces in the Democrat Party.

    You can hate Trump all you want, but he has always supported Israel with no reservations. Israel benefited greatly from the Abraham Accords, which Biden ended.
     
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    agree, and Biden is creepy as well.
     
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    for gun banners such as you-yes
    for those who think abortion rights trump the bill of rights yes
    for union leaders yes
    for the alphabet agenda advocates yes
    for our foreign enemies yes
    for net tax consumers yes
     
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    There were about 10 options. From far left to middle to far right.

    In reality, no one sits as neither. The middle of left and right is about the size of a pin head.
    In this non scientific thread with more member being RW leaning than LW lean, Biden is fairly dominant in leading this poll.

    National polls are all over the place. Remember, Hilary is to win in a landslide.
     
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    I think you've been shown this before, perhaps even more than 1X. Our energy policies are not in the crapper. We are producing petroleum products at the highest levels in history.
    I think we are even the world's largest producer.

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    The criminally incompetent lost due to the pandemic and the incompetence in leading a country during a common enemy. The pandemic.
    The 2x impeached incumbent loser lost, due to incompetence and never taking responsibility.
     
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    There should not be a choice like "neither". Either you vote for one of these, or your vote doesn't count.
     
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    why don't you tell us-given the many contradictory arguments going on at the time, what Trump should have done?
     
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    Typically a good leader will Unite the country. Find competent people and trust them instead of contradict them.
    Competent leaders can pull most together when there's a common enemy.

    Fauci was in his position since Reagan. 40+ yrs, and he never trusted anything or stood up for anything Fauci and the disease centers were advocating.

    The best he may have done is fast track a vaccine but many of his followers would not take it. Nor did he suggest it was safe and should be taken.
    A good leader UNITES. A bad leader makes things more divisive.

    The voters chose which path he followed.
     
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    Yeah, Fauci is apparently suffering from memory loss recently.
     
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    "Voting is voting your heart and voting your conscience and when you've done that, don't ever, EVER let a Democrat or Republican tell you that you've wasted your vote because the fact is, if you DON'T vote your heart and conscience then you HAVE wasted your vote.”
    ― Jesse Ventura
     
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    Republican said the same thing about Clinton. Republican said the same thing about Obama.

    You want to vote for Trump that’s fine. You calling Biden the worst POTUS mean absolutely nothing. We have heard the exact same thing about Obama in 2012 or about Clinton in 1996.
     
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    Since Nov 2023 USA producing more oil then any other time in US history. USA producing more oil today then any country in the world.

    But you think Biden energy policy is bad?

    This is why , we can’t take you guys seriously. You guys don’t care about the facts. You just want to complain.
     

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