Early PF poll

Discussion in 'Elections & Campaigns' started by gringo, Jan 24, 2024.

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if the election were tommorrow..who has your vote??

  1. Trump

    20 vote(s)
    48.8%
  2. Biden

    21 vote(s)
    51.2%
  1. Turtledude

    Turtledude Well-Known Member Donor

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    that's unmitigated bullshit. but the Trump haters should be rejoicing if that is true, given the amount of loathing that the left heaps on the Trump supporters. I had the vaccines and two boosters and still have had three cases (at least) of Covid. My son, who didn't get jabbed, has had one. Dozens of young men, similar in age to him, have died of heart related failures which may well be a result of these vaccines.
     
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    Josh77 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    We should be saying that we won't let Netanyahu commit ethnic cleansing without a fight, but that is how twisted we have become under Biden leadership. We can't even recognize humanitarian catastrophes when they happen, and instead fund them. And now US service members are dying in support of supporting ethnic cleansing in Palestine. There is a HUGE difference between ensuring Israel's ability to defend themselves, which I support, and the conduct of ethnic cleansing and genocide while Israeli settlers eagerly make plans to settle Gaza after the Palestinians are removed, which I do NOT support. Truly despicable, all under leadership of Biden. He has not at all slowed the ethnic cleansing that is occurring, and continues to give Netanyahu a blank check. Unacceptable, and is even worse than what Putin is doing.
     
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    I am glad you took the vaccine and alive today.

    You support Trump or not is irrelevant.
     
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    19Crib Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Re: "No Labels"
    I think they would be more effective at state level house and senate races.
    Prez, IMO is too big for them, too much money involved.
    I get that most want younger candidates, but it is what it is.
     
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    Hamas has won far more than they could have reasonably hoped for. They've proven to the vast majority of the world that the Israeli government is a monster just like them. The US failure to rein them in will undermine our security as well. It's really the only thing I strongly disapprove of about Biden, but almost any old politician would have done the same as him.
     
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    Actual studies supported the vaccine even for the young, very rarely fatal myocarditis notwithstanding. I think more recently the guidance for the young shifted given lower disease severity, and thus lower benefit for the vaccine compared to earlier strains. For newer strains of covid the vaccine is predominantly for reducing severity and transmission. As long as there's a net benefit, it's worth using. It's odd that conservatives are so hung up on how it doesn't completely prevent transmission. Coronaviruses are harder to fully stop than the diseases of traditional vaccines. The key question is always whether there is a net benefit. This requires studies, not personal anecdotes... Yeah I've had vaccines and boosters and never had covid at all despite living with somebody who did - but neither yours nor my experience would outweigh actual data and studies.
     
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    1) I agree for most people there is a net benefit
    2) but I also note that those who didn't get vaccinated-the vast majority of them didn't have issues either and those who castigated and screamed insults at the non-vaxxers were far worse than those who didn't trust the science
    3) many of the official positions that were spread by government agencies were poorly supported and in some cases, just completely wrong. the six foot social distancing crap was just that.
    4) the economic and human harm of some of the shutdowns and isolation were worse than the disease
     
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    I bet most Americans don't believe that nonsense about Israel despite the best effort of the far left, Chinese propagandists (like Tik-Tok) and the woke fanboys of jihadism
     
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    My understanding is that most old Americans support Israel no matter what Israel does to Palestinians, and most young American don't. I'm not particularly young or old, but if trends continue support for Israel will fade as the boomers do.
     
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    Yeah it's not ebola, most people survive. But small effects are magnified in a large population. 1% of hundreds of millions of people dying is millions of excess deaths, even if 99% of people end up okay. So doing the wrong thing even in that situation can lead to significant tragedy.

    I'd definitely say it's worse to not trust the science, but that doesn't mean treating people like crap is helpful.

    6 foot social distancing was not at all crap. It did make a difference. Much like the vaccine, it's not 100%, but reducing the viral load inhaled by increasing social distance absolutely decreases risk of transmission. Also like the vaccine, this was better for earlier strains.

    I would have done less shutting down, and instead use masking and 6 foot distancing. Shutting down was, in most cases, too much, and should only have been used as a last resort for short periods in specific areas to reduce ERs being overwhelmed and having deaths due to insufficient medical resources. ECMO supply was always insufficient, but that wasn't something that was going to be fixed quickly enough.
     
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    masking was of dubious value as well
     
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    Not according to studies that were well-designed to assess them. There was one conservatives like to cite calling masks into question, but it measured masking mandates. Masking mandates did not actually correlate well with mask use, ironically.
     
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    Most young americans who bash Israel have been spoon fed anti semitic/Pro Jihadist bullshit by Big Tech and Chinese and other Anti American propagandists
     
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    Not being okay with indiscriminate neighorhood bombing, bombing a refugee center to kill a terrorist along with many innocents, and bombing places you told civilians would be safe.... is not antisemitism. If it were, Israel would be free to do whatever the hell it wants to ignore the rights of others.

    It was easier to be sympathetic to Israel for being attacked before, although they had long been violating the rights of palestinians - now the opinions on their government is rightfully far worse.

    It's not actually that unusual historically. Wanting to eliminate the populace that supports your enemies. But there's less fog of war these days, and moral standards are higher than in WWII.
     
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    A third option is a vote for the third option. In my case, that's RFK Jr.
     
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    How does "big tech" feed it to Americans?
     
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    which is really just a vote for Trump imo
     
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    Because of todays movies and entertainment, young people always support the underdog.
     
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    Your opinion is wrong. It's literally a vote for RFK Jr.
     
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    depends on how you would vote if the 3rd party splitting the vote did not exist...
     
  22. MiaBleu

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    Indeed. That is so "responsible and mature" isn't it?? Mind you,, Vindictiveness the theme of T and his mob.
     
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    This poll is shocking. .
    Biden kicking ass over trump.

    On very RW leaning PF.
     
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    Calling Biden a warmonger is silly
     
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    It's all biblical based for old people.
     

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