NATO considers shooting down Russian missiles.

This may be breaking geography news to you, but Ukraine is right next door to Poland, so threatening missiles in Poland is asking for a conflict.

 

I've heard this accusation before (which shows the low level of thought that sometimes pervades this forum) but I'll make the same challenge to you that I've made to others. If you think I "really like Russia conquering whoever it feels like, committing war atrocities the whole way through, and none of it’s their fault somehow" you are free to find posts from me that state that.

None of the others who've made that accusation have come back with posts so I don't expect you will either, but to paraphrase someone, your feelings won't care about my facts. So off with you and let's see what you come back with.

 

Astonishing that you are still trying to pass that off.

2022 missile explosion in Poland

Since we discussed that issue at the time, you know that was Ukrainian air defense, not Russian missiles. So why you are trying to pass off that fake story now is amazing.

 

If there was no conflict in Ukraine...there wouldn't be strays, friendlies, of any other incidents ....now would there?....not exactly fake when missiles land in one backyard.

 

IIRC the only missiles NATO nations have talked about putting in Poland are SAMs and ABMs. These are defensive missiles and no threat to anyone

 

Maybe you'd rather bend over and let Russians shoot missiles in your airspace, but hardly anyone else would allow such thing, and its absurd you accuse Poland of "asking for conflict" when they are simply trying to shoot down hostile missiles in their airspace. See my example of Cuban missiles over Miami.

 

Yes, history and facts are nonsense. I guess other countries didn't appease Hitler and he didn't invade other countries. I guess Trump never praised leaders of Russia, N. Korea, and China.

 

Trump on North Korean dictator Kim Jong Un
* “Well, first of all, let me say that I think that Kim Jong Un, or Chairman Kim, as some people say, is looking to create a nation that has great strength economically. I think he’s very much – I talk to him a lot about it, and he’s very much into the fact that – he believes, like I do, that North Korea has tremendous economic potential like perhaps few other developing nations anywhere in the world.” (May 27, 2019)

* “Kim Jong Un has been, really, somebody that I’ve gotten to know very well and respect, and hopefully – and I really believe that, over a period of time, a lot of tremendous things will happen.” (April 11, 2019)

*[Kim] wrote me beautiful letters and they’re great letters. We fell in love.” (September 29, 2018)

* “Chairman Kim has been really very open and terrific, frankly. And I think he wants to see something happen. So we have done – I think, mutually, we’ve done very well with respect to North Korea.” (September 24, 2018)

Trump on Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan
* “President Erdogan. He’s tough, but I get along with him. And maybe that’s a bad thing, but I think it’s a really good thing.” (June 29, 2019)

* “Well, thank you very much. It’s my honor to be with a friend of mine, somebody I’ve become very close to, in many respects, and he’s doing a very good job: the President of Turkey.” (June 29, 2019)

* “Thank you very much. It’s a great honor and privilege – because he’s become a friend of mine – to introduce President Erdogan of Turkey. He’s running a very difficult part of the world. He’s involved very, very strongly and, frankly, he’s getting very high marks.” (September 21, 2017)

Trump on Chinese President Xi Jinping
* “And I like President Xi a lot. I consider him a friend, and – but I like him a lot. I’ve gotten to know him very well. He’s a strong gentleman, right? Anybody that – he’s a strong guy, tough guy.” (June 30, 2019)

* “President Xi, who is a strong man, I call him King, he said, ‘But I am not King, I am president.’ I said, ‘No, you’re president for life and therefore, you’re King.’ He said, ‘Huh. Huh.’ He liked that.” (April 2, 2019)

* “I had President Xi, who’s a friend of mine, who’s a very, very good man.” (April 12, 2018)

Trump on Russian President Vladimir Putin
* “Had a long and very good conversation with President Putin of Russia. As I have always said, long before the Witch Hunt started, getting along with Russia, China, and everyone is a good thing, not a bad thing….” (May 3, 2019)

* “So many people at the higher ends of intelligence loved my press conference performance in Helsinki. Putin and I discussed many important subjects at our earlier meeting. We got along well which truly bothered many haters who wanted to see a boxing match. Big results will come!” (July 18, 2018)

* “I called President Putin of Russia to congratulate him on his election victory (in past, Obama called him also). The Fake News Media is crazed because they wanted me to excoriate him. They are wrong! Getting along with Russia (and others) is a good thing, not a bad thing…” (March 21, 2018)

* “The man has very strong control over a country,” he said. “Now, it’s a very different system and I don’t happen to like the system, but certainly in that system, he’s been a leader. Far more than our president has been a leader.” (September 7, 2016)

* “Great move on delay (by V. Putin) - I always knew he was very smart!” (December 20, 2016)

 

The point is that you are a proponent of a fake story.

I understood why Zelenskyy promoted it, but why do you?

 

OK that's not what anyone is talking about.

 

I've no objection to Poland, or any other country, shooting down over missiles over their airspace. The issue is shooting down missiles outside their borders in an active warzone.

 

Well its a good question. My personal feeling he would love to sucker NATO into the war posing as the victim of a NATO initiated attack which he would claim is a false flag operation. He baits. My impression is NATO will not take the bait no matter how many times he tries and so we remain in a stalemate where he can not conquer Ukraine but he can continue to kill its people and do mass damage.

You will note he blamed the ISIS attack on Ukraine and NATO.

Unfortunately as long as Putin is alive he will engage in his war of attrition. He has for this summer set the stage for extreme gas price increases already blaming that on Ukraine.

 

Poland issued this warning (and that's what it is) because there have been Russian missiles inside their airspace.

 

? You realize we already covered this right? If you are not going to read my replies why are you so desperate for my attention by replying to my comments all the time?

A real mystery...

 

What should have Donald Trump said about those national leaders? Announce that he hated them and wanted to see them dead? What would've been the result of statements like that other than you approving of them?

 

LOL you asked for me to cite the times Trump praised those dictators and after I did, you now ask what he should have said? Do conservatives and Republicans lack morals so badly that they don't know what their leaders should say about them? You do realize there are ways and things to say (if they have to say anything at all) to be neutral? Why is the right only capable of thinking in extremes?

 

do you understand the irony of that question?

 

"neutral" is NOT an acceptable position to take and you know it.

 

So you think the only option on how to speak to foreign leaders is to only praise them or tell them you hate them. My, how limited...

 

of course not, but you suggested Trump keep giving them reach-arounds instead of saying he hated them. You do realize there is a middle ground, don't you?

 

I don't see the problem with shooting down a missile if it looks like it is threatening their country by being close to their border or otherwise seeming like it may hit something in their country. It would presumably not be on purpose by Russia, either a mistake or a missile that got damaged but not shot down, and if anything they should thank them for avoiding nato civilian casualties. Telling russia under what conditions such missiles would be shot down would also be appropriate, making it clear the goal is protecting their country, not direct intervention in the conflict.

 

so you think the only way to address a point you find uncomfortable is to lay a big fat red herring on this thread and pretend that is what i was talking about. I was talking about your blatantly bullshit stereotype of right wingers being able to only think in the extreme.

 

I believe they said they had nukes.

 

The fundamental problem seems to be that most people don't know that the US and Western Ukraine
are the aggressors, and think Russia and Eastern Ukraine are.

 

The fundamental problem seems to be that pretty much everyone believed Joe Biden's Feb 24 news release in 2022
which consisted of nothing much but lies. Although VP Joe approved overturning the democratically elected Ukraine
govt in Feb 2014, and there has been an low level civil war going on since as Kyiv attempts to impose it's anti Russian
language and such rules since then.

And I do know it is claimed the pre-Maidan govt was pro Russia and anti West, I'm not sure there is evidence to prove
that, but the big point is Joe Biden was personally involved in approving the regime change done by Victoria Nuland
and the CIA in Feb 2014.

So for him to claim the war started on Feb 24 2022 was ludicrous.
The trigger for it was the heavy bombardment of Donetsk on Feb 19 2022, which
Pres. Putin said he would respond to if it continued which it did and then
he responded 5 days later on Feb 24th.

But once people have accepted the lie, they don't change their minds.