Would you consider Sex Before Marriage is morally wrong?

I believe the answer for some (not me) would depend on how old the people involved are. I think there is a total double standard when it comes to sex outside of marriage. Most who may say it is morally wrong would say so if the age of the people were in the teens to twenties and maybe even 30 something. Add the age factor like someone in their late 50's and older, and it seems the moral bar has been lowered. Before I got married, my (now) wife asked me if we should live together. I refused, I thought it was morally wrong to live like husband and wife without actually being husband and wife. Is sex before Marriage morally wrong, maybe, but I do sit on the fence on this one. Sex just to have sex I believe is morally wrong, but again that is just my opinion. Most people combine sex with an emotion, and very few "healthy" people in my opinion can separate the two. I for one have never wanted to try.

 

Anyone who voted yes is a religious wacko who wants to impose their fairy tales on everyone.

 

Any good sex at any time is good enough, in a manner of speaking.

 

Religions are not as bad as you would like to believe. Judging from your comment, I say you could use some religions yourself.

 

Pot, kettle. When you are 48, we will see if you think the same.

 

Because anecdotal evidence carries just so much weight compared to scientifically based statistical metastudies, right? What's next, hearsay and conjecture?

 

And that is a cultural issue, the solution of which is being opposed by idiot parents and kooky religionists.

Which is why a return to the extended family model would be best, if you're going to take that route.

It was a figure of speech.

 

"Demographic collapse" as you put it is due to a myriad of factors. Not the least of which being the fact that on the whole our diets are a lot more balanced and richer in protein, which reduces fecundity. Are you going to start saying we should stop eating so much protein?

And again, if you're going to go that route why aren't you advocating a return to the extended family model? Since that would clearly be the most beneficial and conducive to good family life.

 

True, but on a common law marriage, from my understanding takes a number of years to establish it as binding and contractual, so while someone is waiting for that to kick in, would I be wrong to make a declaration of marriage ?

But this only addresses the matter of Adultery as needing the paperwork to establish that the marriage has been dissolved so they could be in keeping with the law.

What I don't know is, was the marriage documented somehow with paper, or only wittinesses ? Perhaps there is scriptural support that you are aware of.

 

Bold statement. Was John Lennon "lucky to hold down a minimum wage job?"

Of course there are tons of other examples, but simply having a whole family doesn't determine your life story. I support the family unit, but I don't really support marriage, I think all relationships should be committed, with or without public vows exchanges. Being a single mother isn't ideal, but neither is a woman who stays with an abusive spouse.

The world isn't black and white when it comes to relationships and families.

 

But your support of legalization of Prostitution does have the potential to destroy family values and our traditional family structures. Without marriage, there will be no more traditional families we know of.

 

The issue is about the free market and I don't support social engineering.

Human beings had families and prospered over a hundred thousand years before marriage was invented in society. Marriage is a means to an end, I support the end.

 

There are billions of people on earth. Exceptions to rules will number in the millions, it does not change the rules. I'll admit I know people who are from ideal family structures who are still flakes, but I can't for the life of me think of one person who came from a single parent that is a success story. Not one. I mean people I actually know, and have associated with. Two totally different paths. Working moms are never around. Kids from 2 parent homes are usually involved in extracurricular activities and all hang out with each other, while those of single parents all hang out together and decide whose house they are going to get drunk at after school. Of course a single parent is better than 2 with one being a horrible person. But that is like 1 out of 10. The great majority of people I know who grew up with a single parent had moms who simply didn't want to see the father ever again, out of either revenge or just not liking him. Women thinking they can raise boys to be men is not a game. Children are not items to own. They are future human beings. What is no big deal to the mother is a lifetime of playing catch up to the son.

 

"There are 3 kinds of lies, lies, (*)(*)(*)(*) lies, and statistics."-Mark Twain

I have lived all over the west coast of America. I have known hundreds of people personally. I know America is a society different from the rest. My whole life is experience. Yours is what you read somewhere. People know what I say is true, whether it is pretty or not. I care not for political correctness.

 

I don't think I agree. But what exactly do you mean by 'traditional family?'

It seems to me that if the 'traditional family' is a genuinely better idea, people will choose it, and if they don't, then the idea needs some work anyway.

 

Have you considered the possibility that the problem is with your associations.

 

It's not a rule, you just made it up. Some of the most successful people come from broken homes.

The President of the United States?

Life isn't perfect and the ideal family is not always possible. I did appreciate your snide attitude toward single mothers though.

 

Someone will win the lottery tomorrow, that doesn't making investing in lottery tickets a good financial move. Show me a study that says kids from single parent homes go to college and graduate at the same rate as those from 2 parent homes. You won't find it, because it doesn't exist. Show me one of the average income of kids who came from single parent homes verses those who came from 2 parent homes. You can't find it because it doesn't exist. There is a reason why you have to choose a select few famous people to make a point. And that's if one allows the argument of people with nontraditional success into the argument. For every John Lennon there are probably 50k people from single homes who "play the guitar" and will die as poor as they were born at 10 dollars an hour. I don't know 1 women who could teach their son a trade like electrician, plumber, carpenter, mechanic, etc., things that could actually lead to a decent middle class lifestyle if his "song writing career" failed. And know this, the great majority of my best friends and I were all raised by single mothers. I guarantee you all don't love our mothers as much as we do. But the fact remains, while other kids were playing football and going to the prom, we all were building bongs and dropped out before the prom ever came around. But I know, in this argument it is the kids fault. Only when the dad is around is a kid allowed to be a kid. Case closed.

 

Nice straw-man argument.

I never said coming from a broken home was ideal, I just said that it didn't determine a persons fate. I believe in self-reliance and self-responsibility. Parents are only there to love, protect and teach children long enough for them to grow big enough to take care of themselves. Anyone adult who says they are dependent on their parents is weak in my opinion.

Blanket statements like the above is why you have zero credibility.

I hate people who blame others for their own failures.

Another blanket statement with no basis in reality.

Before you whip out your next blanket statement or straw-man argument, let me repeat myself, because obviously you have trouble listening. I'm not saying the ideal family is broken, it's not. But in the several hundred thousand years of human development before civil society, people survived, thrived and developed into strong, capable and successful adults--with or without the ideal family unit. That's because human beings aren't a weak species.

Adults need to take some responsibility for your life and no blame everything on their mommy and daddy issues.

 

Please. Explain to me how a mom who has to work from 8am to 9pm at night can raise a kid to be anything, bad or good? The kids raise themselves. How many people out there would be success stories if they had raised themselves? Of course eventually we all learned to be men. In our 30's we are buying homes and finally driving decent automobiles, but it took our 20's to learn how to be MEN on our own to do it, while those from 2 parent homes were driving 40k automobiles and buying their 1st homes in their early 20's. I'm not saying it dooms one fate, but IT IS a lifetime of playing catch up. I can't believe I live in a day and age where the person who actually lived through an ordeal isn't an expert, it is the college educated person from 2 parents who knows about single parent homes because he/she "studied it". What a (*)(*)(*)(*)ing joke. You people have no concept of reality.

 

The government institution of "marriage" is more morally impermissable than sex before marriage.

 

If a person has the appropriate morale values and knows what qualities to look for when searching for a life long partner, would traditional family better suits for this person?

 

You don't support social engineering? By introducing legalization of Prostitution, you would be doing exactly social engineering. Men would no longer feel the need to marry and our traditional family structure would break down. Society would be altered in a very drastic way.

Free market? I assume you mean men sexual demand and sexual supply. Have you considered women needs? Are you a selfish person? Are you a morale person?

Marriage was invented in society after men lived in caves, perhaps with good reasons? Now you think marriage is no longer needed so you can satisfy your own selfish desires?

I am sick and tired of your thoughtless reasoning!

 

Just by looking at the poll numbers gives a solid clue as to the influx of immorality in today's society. Those of us in the know (typically Conservatives) have warned of this creeping socialism/marxism/atheism and satanism that has infiltrated our society. All of us mortals are sinners, but condoning and participating in these amoral activities is a sure sign that these people have been possessed by the devil himself.

 

Don't get me wrong. I can certainly understand most of you who do not have the appropriate morale values, family values and may probably chose the wrong woman as your life partner, would think marriage was a bad idea and legalization of Prostitution is the solution for your problems.

What trouble me the most.. is that you think sex before marriage is acceptable because you think sex is the solution of your life long happiness.