Would you consider Sex Before Marriage is morally wrong?

Convert to Islam and move to Saudi Arabia. You'd love it there.

 

Judging by the poll results, 11 people are either virgins, unhappily married, or hypocrites.

 

Methinks the reason George Carlin died was because his amoral activities during his young adulthood caught up to him. But that parody by Carlin still doesn't cover the moral and amoral issues; it has nothing to do with 'rights'. For a further looksee into man's rights (if that's your bailiwick), I suggest you thoroughly read our Constitution.

 

Carlin died because of heart failure. If by "amoral activities" you mean drinking and smoking, possibly. It was likely a matter of genetics as well.

 

Depends on the situation. It takes a villiage, as the saying goes. Most children of single parents get a lot of life values from exended family, teachers, nannies. Actually, wealthy families rely on nannies to raise their children, yet children of wealthy people are also successful.

So, your emotional argument has no real basis in fact.

Not in every case. You are making more blanket statements.

The entire length of human history before modern times. People today are sheltered and co-dependant.

Human beings are not a weak species. Other anamials leave their parents after they are big enough to fend for themselves.

My view of reality isn't obscured by co-dependance issues. Sorry.

Again, I never said a whole family is not ideal. I am simply making the point that no family situation is ideal. Almost no family is picture perfect and plenty of successful people were raised by extended family or Nannies. Show me one child from a wealthy family who didn't have a Nanny growing up.

 

I don't argue for the sake of arguing. I know what I'm talking about. You are the one assuming. A fellow such as yourself grows up in a situation similar to mine, they find you hanging from a belt in the closet. You have no idea what survival instincts are. You have no idea what self determination means, for you it has never been tested. Only those without a father know how important it is to have one.

 

It is morally wrong, but no more then any other sin.

 

Actually, I have been very happily married for 28 years. Have we had our rough patches? Sure, but we have something most people never have in life which is a lifelong soulmate.

 

I don't care. From a religious perspective if two people do it before marriage but end up together anyways I doubt God cares. Seems like a technicality.

 

There is no need to defend fornication. If you do not recognize God, you do not have to recognize your immorality. The immorality only exist from a biblical point of view.

The other argument has been whether prioritizing sexual performance is healthy for a longlasting relationship. During the trials of marraige, sex becomes an expression of love, not lustfull fullfilment. If you are prioritizing this, you will likely not have a long lasting relationship.

Marraiges last based on how two people meet their trials together, not based on how well one pleases the other sexually. Yet, healthy sex is an element of a loving relationship.

 

Sex with someone you are not married to is always wrong.

And I'm convinced that it undermines marriage by robbing it of exclusiveness.

And weakened marriages undermine our society so that makes it everyones business.

 

You made several patently false blanket statements. Literal fallacies, actually.

You can't make assumptions about people and expect to maintain credibility.

Most people have a difficult childhood and most people grow up fine.

Why do you makes these general assumptions about people? It's absurd.

Another assumption about someone you have never met. Zero credibility.

Everyone I know grew up in less-than-ideal situations and none of my friends are crybabies about it.

 

No, and I highly encourage the act of never signing a contract entangling your relationship status with the government.

 

I'm not sure what this is supposed to mean.

Most long lasting relationships have both good compatibility emotionally and sexually.

 

No more so than that married women consider that sex after marriage interferes with their headaches.

 

Would it be imoral for a teen to have sex with a preist, cleric, rabbi, and woman befor getting married?

 

WTF are you talking about? You have made assumptions about me from post 1. You are the one arguing that fathers aren't needed. A more absurd claim I can't think of. I would never argue sex before marriage is wrong, nor would I ever argue that sex in a marriage isn't important. I'm no Bible thumper. Sex is one of the few joys in this world. For someone to sit here an argue that not having a father around is "no big deal" blows my mind. I like your opinion on a lot of other subjects Joe, but on this one you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem.

 

I don't know what this had to do with the topic at hand...

 

... is there a punch line?

 

That's rather authoritarian of you....

 

If you go back and read your own comments, they make constant person references to people in this thread, as if you had personal knowledge about their lives, as well as simplistic assumptions about other people compared to yourself. If this is all some communication error, I would be the first to appologize.

No, I made observations about co-dependant people.

I never stated that.

Every child of wealthy parents I know was raised by a nanny and daddy wan't around much. Believe it or not, people aren't so weak that they can't be successful people if they don't get constant attention from a man and a woman. As I said before, it takes a village to raise a child.

I assume you don't really get what I'm saying.

 

Every family is different. Just because some single parents (there are single fathers out there too) are unsuccessful does not mean that people do not succeed in single parenting. I know people who are (*)(*)(*)(*) ups that came from the most normal supporting parents you could ask for. There are many more detrimental family situations to be born into than a single parent family. Statistics can't really tell you anything solid on the matter as there are so many variables that may cause the success or unsuccessful raising of child.

 

Wouldn't it be better if a person has an appropriate morale/family values and know what qualities to look for when searching for a life partner, have a better success for having a fulfilled life long marriage, instead of contemplating the possible negative impacts to a child from a broken or a single parent family?

 

Who cares.

And in regards to Joe Six Packs comments about fathers.

A father doesn't have to "be around" all the time to be a good influence on their children.

I remember a study a few years ago comparing children who grew up without a father because their father had died and those because the fathers simply walked out or the mothers never identified them.

The children whose fathers had died turned out significantly better than those whose fathers were never around to begin with or left by choice.

Just the idea of a father who "would be there if he could" is a positive influence on childrens development.

And no I don't have a link.

 

Being a "good person" or instilling "good morals" doesn't equate to getting married and having 2.5 kids. Is it better for a child to have to two committed and loving parents rather than just one, of course. It would be better to have ten than two, however, for most children being "normal" according to their societie's standards is also ideal.

I think maybe most marriages are people just settling. Some people can live with that and make it work, others find out they can't, hence our current divorce rates. If you happen to find a person that you can truly love till you or they die, hopefully you realize how lucky that makes you.

I find nothing wrong with having sex without being married as long as the individuals are ok with it. Sex is not immoral in any way between consenting adults. Can it possibly lead to an unwanted/ unintended pregnancy, yes. If such an incident occurs it is up to the individuals to make the most responsible decision for them. Everyone and every situation is unique, its not black and white.