R.I.P. Bill of Rights 1789 - 2011

Correct!

The Obama administration requested that the language excluding US citizens be approved.

Sure, Congress shares some blame, but it sounds like they would have just automatically excluded US citizens until the administration stepped in. So the Obama administration wanted this.

 

I thought George W. Bush removed the Bill or Rights when he signed the patriot act?????

 

I am sure he did his part in all of this to make the Constitution null and void. Each one chips a little piece of the American's civil rights away until there will be nothing left.

 

You mean the same group that didn't believe much in private ownership of land and the same group that found McCain Fiengold as appropriate takeover of the elections of themselves by themselves???

 

How truly sad this is to see. Barack Obama by no means deserves all the blame, but he certainly deserves some of it. Republicans could have blocked this in the House, Democrats could have blocked this in the Senate, and a Demcrat president could have vetoed this.

Other big names to blame are Carl Levin, Lindsey Graham and maybe most of all John McCain. McCain pushed the hardest for this. Well, this is no surprise coming from McCain...he fired a rocket into the deck of his aircraft carrier nearly sinking it, only now McCain has fired a rocket into the deck of America. Sadly, only a few Republicans defied this. What a shame.

Between George W. Bush and Barack Obama, our great Constitution has been violated beyond belief. Even America's worst enemies could not have possibly hoped to have done as much damage to us as Bush and Obama have - both economically and freedom-wise. Regardless of what your political beliefs are, this should be of great concern to you. While those on the left might like the idea of Obama being able to have whoever he wants arrested, just remember, you could be an election away from the complete opposite of Obama - a radical right winger having those same powers and out to get the left. We have gone from Posse Comitatus to a tryrannical dictatorship. Unfortunately, due to how heated politics has become, the majority only look at who is right or wrong, not what is right or wrong.

Sadly, this was signed on New Years, while everyone was celebrating the new year, drinking whatever they drink, partying away, nobody saw Lady Liberty crying, nor did they hear our Founding Fathers rolling in their graves.

 

for instance, the expansion of government, the removal of personal liberties, spending like no tomorrow, and giving trillions to the big banks while forcing their losses on the people ?

Wait, that's both of them.................Never mind.

 

This bill stuck a giant fork in Obama if he ever had a chance of re-election. Run ads 24/7 about this thing Obama signed and he will be chased out of town like a vampire.

 

As the population grows, the Government is naturally going to expand. While most Americans know the Government is currently way to big and needs to be scaled back quite a bit. They simply aren't willing to part ways with the biggest sweeteners of big Government. Social Security and Medicare.

Then why for God's sake is no one suing in Federal Court?

The USSC is arguably the most originalist court we have had in generations and yet no one is taking up the mantle to sue in Federal Court to have these "removals of personal liberties" overturned? Why not?

If what people claim is true, that the Patriot Act and this recent NDA are so absolutely unconstitutional, the Roberts court will overturn it. They have shown time and time again they are on the side of the Constitution.

Why is Orly Taitz putting in such an effort to depose "Obama the Pretender with the Fake Birth Certificate" but can't dedicate some time to a real issue?

Granted, but in recessions spending typically goes up. I agree we should scale it back, but the biggest spending, Social Security and Medicare is simply political suicide to get involved in cutting. Democrats make awful videos of heroic Congressmen tossing Grandma off a cliff.. that (*)(*)(*)(*) has an effect on American minds! I don't see any solution our politicians will embrace except letting it just collapse because the American People, particularly Democrats, simply won't accept any solution until it does collapse.

Well someone should've broken the big banks up, that is a major failure on the part of both the Bush Administration and Obama, but how do we force big banks to break up in a nation that is ostensibly about the protection of private property, even the private property of huge megabanks?

I keep hearing this "The parties are the same" spiel and yet no one ever considers the true answer. That the American People are not really all that far apart from each other ideologically and therefore both parties have to share at least some of the same policies to get elected in the first place.

There is a reason why Ron Paul is the only radical libertarian in Congress. Because most people are not radical libertarians.

The same reason there are only a couple admitted socialist liberals in Congress. Because most people are not radical liberals.

Both sides can claim the center are nothing but sheep, but the fact still remains that sheep have a vote too and have to be pandered too.

 

It's really just another layer. From the 16th amendment to the Federal Reserve Act to the New Deal to the Great Society to the Patriot Act to Obama Care to the NDAA.

 

You are so right......Obama is doing the same things that Bush did but it is as if some have selective memory. Most of those in the government are the enemy of the American people and the Constitution, but some are too busy focusing on Obama to see that. Americans have been betrayed by their own government.

 

Unfortunately the damage is done.....he has served the purpose he was paraded out there for the public to see when he was running. So if he does not get elected for a second term it would really not matter.......they are going to find someone else to prop up for the people to vote for.

 

You made me laugh when the guy who voted Present over 130 times in 2 years in the House was now supposed to stand on principle. He did, the man has the spine of a jellyfish and he is consistent to let everyone know he will always listen to any deal that empowers HIM.

 

Yeah Bush said it. Doesn't make it true though..

 

And guess what. None of the Republican candidates (save Ron Paul) would do anything to reverse it.

 

When have citizens engaged in war against us along with our enemies ever had such protections? When Nazi soldiers with American citizenship were captured did they get haebus corpus?

 

I thought it ended in court and that they were given Habeus Corpus over the objections of the Roosevelt Administration?

Ps, okay that might of been the one that was caught in on America soil and was a citizen of the Nation, he was attempting to blow up a some armoury someplace.

 

The critical mistake the aristocratic ruling classes made in Pre-Revolutionary France was the same as is being made now. They assumed that the armed forces, be they peace officers or military, were like unthinking automatrons who would never bite the hand that fed them dwindling breadcrumbs. Pay them well elitists...pay them well...

Because at a critical moment when the police were asked to fire on innocents, they turned instead on their commanders, shot them and still thusly armed joined the ranks of the 99% protesting in that century not long ago. Then they joined hands, stormed the Bastille & heads began to roll.

A cheap piece of paper giving "authority" to override a long beloved golden document like the US Constitution can only go so far. Talk about betting on a dark horse in a muddy race...lol..

 

Nope they were all tried by military tribunal, 6 were executed within a month, 2 who were naturalized citizens received prison one for life one for 30 years.

Remember the Constitution states

"The Privilege of the Writ of Habeas Corpus shall not be suspended, unless when in Cases of Rebellion or Invasion the public Safety may require it. "

 

Then the rights of "Safus Neckus" may be suspended should that rebellion be justified against a facist regime that has nearly taken all democratic processes away from the People that govern themselves. After all, just ask Sharron Angle, the tree of liberty has to be watered with the blood of patriots now and then.

See. It's all a matter of perspective and core values.

Like I said, pay your police well and hope they have no moral structure, nor any memory of their US government class in highschool.

And read up on Pre-Revolutionary France when you get a minute. Don't forget to celebrate the holiday of Bastille -Day. You know, the people celebrate it as a holiday for a reason...

 

People care little for individual liberty as long as there is bread (McDonalds) and circuses (Kardashians).

 

Unless you are a spy or saboteur how is your individual liberty harmed?

 

Seriously though, capitalism can only flourish in a system where people are free. It's just that malignant monopolies, which are fascism personified weilding first the whip of money, then the whip of actual arms and violence, have nothing to do with actual free-market capitalism.

The dragon has nearly eaten the last scale on its tail. Let's see if it wises up in the nick of time?

 

The "Bill of Rights" is/was one of the things that made the USA "exceptional,"
all governments infringe on the individual's natural rights.

It's the same thing, limited government, minimal government... that's why I subscribe to anarcho-capitalist theory. Government doesn't work, limited/minimal government is unattainable, eliminate government altogether.

 

That's impossible to do because we cannot depend on market fluctuations, monopolies and so forth to make sure our roads are paved so we can drive to work, or our military is staffed so we can keep our hungry neighbors out of our corn fields..

Talk about getting real. The perfect system is a free-market one with safeguards against malignant monopolies, [aka lobbying] and sprinkled with a minimal amount of socialism, just enough to bolster the nation's ability to compete on a world market. Healthcare comes to mind..

 

Better not let yourself get confused as somehow supporting terrorism, you might disappear. Pretty big loss there.