Hey Ostap I would like to be your friend....... My wife is Jollee! !!!!! Please dont hold that against me, but I love her....lol
Haha sure, it doesn't really matter for me to where to educate them though, aslong as I get the results!
Hey no problem. Although calling them dumbs sounds harsh, but those who are either fascist or Islamist are of course dumb since they're damaging the country they live in. It damages Turkey too. They'll surely need some Kemalism and secularism as you said, once they become Kemalists I'm sure they'll adapt to German culture and embrace it, they'll understand adopting German culture won't make them leave their Turkishness, it will make them beneficial Turkish-German citizens for Germany in my opinion, without any extremism. Take care.
Ostap, The Western Turkey, aswell as the Southern region is generally well known secularist Kemalism supporters as they generally vote for Kemalist party aswell as myself, and since the economy is pretty well there and people are educated. Once secularism will improve I'm pretty sure religious tolerance will be improved and relations with especially Greek Orthodox Patriarche of Turkey will increase, maybe even number of Christian missionaires increase I can understand how you feel about them if there were Germans who don't work but always demand I'd feel the same. I'm pretty sure only few mosques would be enough for Turks and Muslims there, not to mention they can practice their religious duties in their homes instead of mosques. Even the symbol, Grey Wolf, is a pre-Islamic Turkic symbol coming from Turkic mythology. If you readed the article you'll know what I exactly mean! On the other hand, I'm afraid about Islamist fundementalism as much as you in Turkey. Many nationalists aren't in favour of Islamism, since I consider Kemalists true nationalists because they follow Ataturk. Islamists don't like Ataturk because he thrown Islamic theocracy away and brought secularism here. They always seek to bash him... Some even claiming Ataturk was JEWISH but we, at least I, don't care if he was JEWISH. As if being a Jew bad thing? That's why Islamism is a threat for Turkey too. But the current ruling dumb Islamist Erdogan's party fool people in many cities by endless propaganda, bribes, and threatens. Lastly they got their constition changed accepted, while 45% of country opposed it. You've seen how Erdogan turning a neutral peace negotitor state between Israel and Palestine, to a Jihad state right?
Ostap , right now I've got two Mod infractions around my neck ,,, so I've got to mind my P's and Q's for a few weeks ,,, that's why I've been quiet on a lot of threads..
Hey Ostap. Despite I am Turkish nationalist and debated several times with you, I have never favoured dangerous Islamism since I know my Turkic ancestors fought against them and massacred from them, and in the end were forced to embrace it. But nowadays we are unfortunately under rule of sultan Islamist Erdogan, and he's making Turkey even worse, if he won't be stopped Turkey will be another Iran. I have no problem with Islam, as long as everyone practice it as religious duty rather than political system, but there's some thing they everyone should know!!! Many people consider Turks "dangerous Muslims" today. But they don't even know how Turks were Islamizated!!! Even the crescent and moon is a Turkic symbol not Islamic! I found an interesting article which I'd like to share with you, what's your opinion?; History of Jihad against the Turks (650 - 1050)
I was standing in the park wondering why frisbees got bigger as they get closer. Then it hit me. :nerd:
We probably disagree on every issue but two. Those are criminal illegal aliens and their anchor babies (fake citizens), and protecting the ideas in the founding documents of this nation. As a Democrat, my confidence overall remains with Constitutional attorney President Barack Obama to lead our nation.
