‘Reparations Happy Hour’ Invites White People to Pay for Drinks

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  1. Soupnazi

    Soupnazi Well-Known Member

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    Of course they do. Someone has to pay for them.
     
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    It doesn't cost the individual parent/family a dime. Well, barely more than a dime.

    The point is that our friend is claiming it takes wealth to succeed (in education). Patently absurd .. but a handy excuse for failure to take education seriously.
     
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    Nope. I am right. Take a university like UCLA. It got over 15% international students. It's biggest contributor to that is China. Also read
    https://www.migrationpolicy.org/article/chinese-immigrants-united-states
    Chinese people flock to the US by the 100.000's a year, every year. And since the 1965's... they are all skilled. Not poor. 90% of the people coming over to the US to INVEST MONEY,.. are Chinese according to visa applications. Something to do with the US massive trade deficit.

    Public aint as good as private. Go kid yourself. Money talks in the US.

    They don't have the same opportunities compared to people going to private schools like Obama.
     
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    1) I guarantee that the Asian guy who cleans toilets for a living, in the west, will still raise kids who excel academically and go on to considerable success. You are missing the point entirely, and trying to deflect by pointing to the end result (of all that hard work and focus on education ... which is how they get rich in the first place).

    2) Public school is as good as parents support it to be. How do you think your local public school produces a top tier? A valedictorian? You can bet your last dollar that those kids at the top of the heap (any heap, whether public or private) have one thing in common ... parents who care. And those at the bottom of the heap (public or private) have the opposite.

    3) The opportunities a child has is entirely dependent upon his/her parents' commitment to their success. Once again, it costs NOTHING to sit with your child every day, making sure all work is understood and completed. It costs nothing to take your kids to the library once or twice a week to develop a love of books and reading (and later, to study). It costs nothing to take your kids to public museums to learn about history. It costs nothing to take your kids to the park to teach them about trees and plants and 'wildlife'. It costs nothing to bombard them with information about the world, basic physics, the English language etc etc etc ... all day, every day, from birth. It costs nothing to be an excellent role model - avoiding cigarettes, drugs, alcohol, gambling, poor money management, laziness, unstable relationships etc etc. That's all that most Asian families do .. none of which requires money. It does, however, require absolute commitment to your childrens' future.
     
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    I freaking sourced how it is. How about you go deal with it, instead of make up what you like to read.

    You're not convincing me that they are just as good as when you pay money for it.

    A parent aint no skilled teacher. It's just an amateur.
     
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    1) you know nothing of the history and the details. sorry, you're still incorrect. make a study of this stuff, as I have these past 30 years, and you might be in a better position to comment.

    2) the most expensive private schools still turn out failures, and the worst public schools still turn out valedictorians. it is NOT the school, it is the PARENTS.

    3) OMG .. you're seriously suggesting that because parents don't have a degree in education, they cannot support their child's education? I've heard plenty of excuses over the years, but that one's hilarious.
     
  7. Stuart Wolfe

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    The above might be the absolute most incorrect thing I've read on this forum all year. And with AJ here, that's saying something.

    The parent(s) don't NEED to be professionals; they simply need to make sure their sprog is doing the work, being responsible with supplies needed for school, impressing upon them the importance of a work ethic, making sure they go to sleep on time so that their snowflakes don't sleep thru the school day, and supporting the teachers when the kid acts up.

    Over two decades of teaching has shown me that the best kids 95% of the time have parents that are convinced an education is essential for future success, and impress upon their kids how important that is by word and deed. The converse has also been proven true; that the worst kids have parents that are NOT supportive at all of the schools or the teachers and do little to none of the things I outlined they ought to do in the previous paragraph. That's of course assuming the kid even has parents, they often have only one - if even that.
     
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    I'm incorrect? lol
    I SOURCED IT!
    you haven't

    They indeed still can. But if you do your best as school,... a better school gets you better results.

    I am saying your average joe the plumber parent doesn't have a teaching degree. And here you are that a TRAINED PROFESSIONAL is less important compared to an amateur, with your it's not the school its the parents. I find that utterly ridiculous.
     
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    Oh there are many things wrong with this. It suggests that black people are poor, because black people don't give a rats ass about their own childrens life at school and at home. It also suggests that discipline is not taught at school. It also suggests that a parent adds more to the education than a trained professional, not just when the kid is 5 but also in college at age 22. it also suggest you when you pay for a better education at a private school, you still get the same level of education at a public school.

    It all is a total joke.
     
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    yes, they just may exist overseas
     
  11. Stuart Wolfe

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    You're the only one making that suggestion. Race is irrelevant here; I've seen some Black parents that come down harder than a ton of bricks on their kids if they under-perform and the few white kids we've had at my school (they're a statistical anomaly where I live and teach) I've seen some of them get pretty lax on the behavior. I could tell you stories.

    It is. It also means very little if the parent isn't working WITH the school. In fact, I've had many parents flat-out not care about school discipline, and you see it in the kids behavior. Again, oh the stories I can tell.

    A parent who raises a kid to value education, self-discipline, and a work ethic damn sure adds more, not just to what happens AT school but what happens BEYOND it in the kids life. I only have the kid for a year, maybe two - while the parent has the kid far longer and affects him forever. And this applies at either a public or private school. The bottom line regarding your post is -

     
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    This, exactly!

    Ask a specialist teacher of 'gifted' children, and they'll soon tell you that it has nothing to do with gifts, and everything to do with parents. Parental attitude to education is the common denominator in both success AND failure - not money.
     
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    1) no. if you're destined to fail (because your parents are crap), you'll fail at private OR public school. if you're destined to succeed academically (because your parents are not crap), you'll do so at public OR private school. the school merely provides the curriculum material. the rest is on parents - from birth, to adulthood.

    2) plumber? Dude, I know people who couldn't even speak English, much less had any kind of education .. and they managed to make sure their kids excelled at school. they did it by SITTING DOWN WITH THEM EVERY SINGLE DAY, and not moving until everything was done. They did not look at their phone, or watch tv, or drink beer. They sat like a silent slave, watching their child work. If he/she needed help, parent would suggest ways they might try to find the information needed (doesn't require any education, or even English - just common sense). Most importantly, the kid understood that mom & dad were not going to let this school stuff slide, but also that they had mom & dad's absolute support along with it. Mom & dad behave like school is important, and the kids learn .. go figure .. that school is important.
     
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    Yes.

    Dude, *I* am a trained professional teacher with decades of experience and *I* am saying that parents are far more influential and important that we will ever be to the growth and education of the child. This notion you have that private schools do better - you're forgetting that these same schools have parents paying for that privilege and when you're paying for something (as opposed to getting it for free) you're gonna care more about the place the results, and the kid you're investing in. You've also forgotten that these same schools can easily kick out a disruptive student, as opposed to the public schools.

    Look, I know a bunch of private school teachers, and they say the same thing, they get results because the parents work with them; they have money on the line - and on the rare occasion that a parent doesn't care, odds are good the kid gets expelled and back to the public schools they go.
     
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    I am dark skinned Portuguese from a persecuted immigrant family why wouldn't I be entitled to free drinks from the white man? It's why appeasing minorities is a very BAD idea.
     
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    You mean Communism?
     
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    Well black unemployment in America is hitting an all-time low under this administration so perhaps that is who you should be showing your gratitude to?
     
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    So what is your opinion of racist black folks?
     
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    It was hitting an all time low under the previous administration and i had a job long before Trump came on the scene, so what gratitude do I need to show.
     
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    The same, now what.
     
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    I was referring to slavery but, I still do not understand what point you are trying to get across ?
     
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    Well then you should be condemning the racist profiling, segregation and racism taking place at this bar.
     
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    How do you know I haven't.
     
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    Now's your chance.
     
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    Yet you took the drinks from a white man? you realize your contradicting yourself.
     

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