“We reject the ideology of globalism and accept the doctrine of patriotism”

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    archives Well-Known Member

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    George was speaking in the 18th Century, ain't nobody going to argue it was a completely different world then let along two oceans to protect us

    And what makes you think these nations you have alienated suddenly are going to appear on a "per need basis," especially, as the EU has shown, are moving on without the US?
     
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    I suppose it has not occurred to you that helping another nation address its problems could be in America's interest.
     
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    Talon Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Patriotic foreign policy was explained to you in Post #2.

    Again, Obama was an internationalist, not a nationalist. That's why he won a Nobel Peace Prize for nothing.

    As for the specific examples of Obama appeasing America's enemies and putting the agenda of his fellow internationalists before the interests of the United States:

    Lifting sanctions against the "Death to America!" crowd in Iran and giving it a clear glide path to a nuclear weapon in a "deal" that lacked the inspection regime necessary to guarantee compliance. Scuttling Bush's missile defense initiative in Eastern Europe because it provoked the America-hating war mongers in the Kremlin that he wanted to "reset" relations with. His unwillingness to confront Islamism and jihadism. His 2009 Cairo speech and World Apology Tour. Unilaterally entering America into a climate accord that put the interests of the international community before the interests of the United States. Etc., etc., ad nauseam...
     
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    And everything Obama said for eight years was just left wing rhetoric he heard on MSNBC. Illogical red meat for the lefties.
     
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    Texas Republican Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Any of those climate agreements are slanted against us.

    The NK agreements reached by the Clinton Administration were disasters.

    The Iranian situation is a cluster. I wouldn't let John Kerry negotiate my next car purchase, much less a nuclear agreement.
     
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    That is the main reason for our foreign policy and military.
    Globalism is here to stay. Technology has shrunk the world so much, what used to take weeks to get done, can get done in a day often times.
    We can lead, participate, follow, or bow out of globalism.
    1 of those choices will be a disaster, IMO.
     
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    How has that not favored America?
    Which deal in specific do you refer?
     
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    What subverted interests?
     
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    Like signing environmental agreements that punish the U.S.
     
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    You have just described the definition of "nationalism." His statement has nothing to do with patriotism because you can favor globalism
    and be patriotic at the same time. I favor globalism and consider myself a patriot. Joining with other countries for the betterment of all will only benefit us. There goes Trump's mouth getting in the way of his brain again.
     
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    Bush got his permission from Congress, and not from other nations. Some other countries joined in the action due to pressure from the US.
     
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    Globalism means slow death for the American middle class as jobs leave and wages shrink
     
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    I don't smoke crack and I see those deals helping us and them. China is a little over the top even though working middle-class Americans get incredible deals on products made in China. Nafta is good for us also in that it has created 5 million jobs. Iran is now
    making nuclear weapons again and we should have reopened talks with them before backing out of the treaty. For sure we have benefited from our relationship with Europe in that they help us fight our wars and export some fine product to us. Now our allies are going in a different direction and it will cost you and me much more to live. Good luck with your theory.
     
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    Dont expect china to supply those deals forever

    Mercantilism is a strategy where nations attack the eceonomies of other nations in order to diminish their industry and increase the other

    As china drives US. production out of America we become servants of china
     
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    Nationalism means slow death for the American middle class as labor, benefits and materials costs rise due that the lack of competition.
    History will repeat itself as companies begin to move out or close their doors to remain competitive as did happen in the 1970's.
     
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    Interesting.
     
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    There will be no labor for the middle class to draw wages from if all our production is gone
     
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    To the Trump administration laughter is a sign of high regard and respect...
     
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    It's all about redistribution of wealth ... Liberals are obsessed with it. If they can't funnel our wealth to 3rd worlders through trade imbalance and corporate flight from taxes, they'll simply lure more 3rd worlders here by offering sanctuary and welfare.
     
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    That is true, and that is where we will be. Let's remember that robotics is the elephant in the room for American labor.
     
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    When "leftists" are the ones advocating for universal healthcare and education, how is that NOT advocating for the people of this nation?
     
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    Universal care for EVERYONE entering the US, thats how...and absolutely no way any of it can be paid for without the govt owning our asses. 60% taxes or more to pay for it...except those all the way at the bottom who can't pay anything? And guess which demographic is growing the fastest? Those who can't pay anything...so where does the money come from again? We just print it up and make whatever we have worth even less? Yes. What a fantastic idea.
     
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    What book did you read that nonsense from?
     
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    I'll teach you how to fish..
     
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    Abolish ICE ... eliminate tariffs ... The motives, and consequences are self evident. Stats on corporate relocation and the redistribution of US jobs, tax revenue, and wealth generated are in gov't reports requiring much less reading than a demo-socialist manifesto. Stats on illegal immigration, more redistribution of US jobs, and wealth, and the cost of subsidizing sanctuary dwellers is readily available too. The GAO is a good place to start ...
     

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