“You are all unbelievers, I’ll kill you” – Two Islamist knife attacks in France

I don't know, I do know a religious war between Christians and Muslims is not the answer

I say we kill terrorist leaders when we can, and be vigilante and arrest violent religious fanatics (Christian or Muslim) as we find them

kinda like asking how do we stop school shooters, mostly white males, do we have a war on white males.... of course not... the answers are not that easy

 

Impossible as world wars only come about when two sides are united. Muslims are at war with each other as Christians often are among themselves. Since neither side is unified such a thing cannot happen.

 

It's already a war but it's being fought on the Islamist's terms. Their propaganda is great, much like the Communists, and they use the terrorism of Franco's Fascists. There may even be some Islamists on these boards, or perhaps just more goofy leftists, but Trump's war on ISIS has been very effective. Notice no more complaints about Gitmo? None of them ever arrive anymore.

 

That was never even the question.

What Christian fanatics are you referring to? The Pope?

The answers will never be easy if you keep asking the wrong questions.

 

Open your fukin eyes...

 

maybe, but neither side will win, Muslims will never get Christians to covert religions or visa versa

 

any violent religious fanatics, you missed the key word "violent", don't care what religion they are - and "religious" does not just mean "Christians", it covers all the religions - if your a violent Atheist planing to kill Christians, you need to be locked up and never brought back into society - if one is an Abortion Bomber, lock em up and toss away the key

"10 worst examples of Christian or far-right terrorism"

https://www.salon.com/2013/08/03/the_10_worst_examples_of_christian_or_far_right_terrorism_partner/

and you also have Christians killing other Christians, like Dylan Roof... many examples

 

Well now, aren't some people here so immature that they need to resort to profanities.

Shameful, indeed.

 

Thats me mate...if you dont like it...piss off...

 

true, even these smaller two 10+ year wars were costly as well, we could not afford it

 

You find A monarch or A nation at A time to justify Islamic behavior.
They, like Leopold (who did not behave as a Christian) were singular
events or people.
I suggest you look at the ENTIRE age of Islam and ALL its rulers and
for ALL time Islam has had power. The takeover of Spain, the invasion
of Europe (all the way to Vienna), the invasion of the Middle East and
Palestine, the Islamic slave trade etc.. But worse of all - the repudiation
of the Western values such as the scientific method, modern commerce,
separation of powers, liberal democracy etc.. which is all considered
"un-Islamic." This is why nearly all of Islam is backward, violent, sexist,
racist, homophobic and filthy.

 

Bible contains stories from the past when God killed or the Jews were commanded to kill. The Koran and Hadiths contain commandments for the Muslims in the future to "fight", "kill", "slay" and "smite the necks" of the unbelievers "UNTIL.... religion is only for Allah"

 

That's what the Muslims believe. Are you a Muslim?

 

Would seem you've missed the history. Christianity during its first 300 years encircled the entire Mediterranean Sea, spread every step of the way by nothing more than the word of mouth and persecuted by the governing authorities every step of the way. Within 80 years of Muhammads death, the Muslims were waging violent jihad in Spain to the west and Afghanistan to the East, to establish and expand Islamic rule.

 

When Christians act in contradiction of their religious doctrine, I don't attribute their behavior to their Christianity. When Muslims act according to their doctrine and loudly proclaim they are doing so, I do attribute their behavior to their religion.

 

Just stop with the pathetic apologies. You dont have christians running around stabbing people screaming "Jesus is great"
Just suck it up, accept the facts and repeat after me "islam IS the MOST violent religion"

 

He didn't attack all Muslims. He criticized Islam for the content of its written doctrine. YOU simply view ANY criticism of Islamic doctrine to be an attack on all muslims. Bet you don't treat criticism of Christian doctrine of the bible in the same way.

 

Yeah, you hear someone proclaim praise Jesus and youll probably turn to see what glorious thing has occurred. When you hear Allah Akbar you best duck for cover.

 

I would describe those statistically RARE events fight or flight situations. They are dangerous and the children involved are in peril and some are killed. Those situations are horrifying but not a war zone.

The children in Syria live in a war zone. The children in Afghanistan live in a war zone. Children in Iraq live in a war zone. Children in various nations in Africa live in a war zone.

Even most children growing up in poverty here in the United States live in luxury comparatively. Even as bad as the violence gets in Chicago isn't a war zone though I grant you it is as close as it gets here in the states.

 

It's quite funny because as a french I didn't heard about that terrorist attack, but leftist medias tend to cover less and less those attacks. But I found an official source about that.

It actually depend of how you define the violence of a religion. It's true that in the gospel, Jesus has a message of peace and seems to forbid strictly violence, however I'm not an expert on the bible.
If you compare the example of Jesus and Muhammed, it's clear that Muhammed lived a life a hundred time more violent that the life of Jesus.

If you consider history, human are human, and there is huge amount violence both in the christian and islamic societies, violence is the nature of the human being, the christian had furthermore for a few centuries an absolute technological supremacy allowing them to use that new power for poor goals.

If you consider today, the most violent societies is probably the southern american one which are catholic. It's clear catholicism doesn't encourage cartels, but they don't manage to prevent it.
Effectivly, Islam has on its side probably the biggest number of violent armed groups;
Technocratic corrupted government everywhere in the world however are a big threat to peace.

It's important to consider that I'm a self proclaimed islamophobic individual, so I don't have a particular wish to defend this demoniac religion.

 

Your website gave top billing to Frank Silva Roque. Can you find even one sentence of published material to indicate he was a Christian or motivated by his Christianity?

 

you seems to be biased, Christians have the same history.... looking up people of science , ect....

 

the discussion was how do we address this issue, and I say we look at the past for examples of how we addressed Christians doing the same thing

I criticize both religions doctrines, both believe in the same God, same OT God, same Jesus, same Mary, ect.... both are religious myths

as I have said repeatedly, I believe most Christians and Muslims are good people, but some of each are religious fanatics, some of which can be violent

 

if those were young Muslims in our schools and doing the exact same just as rarely as the Christian white boys today, I think some would have a different view, but your right and I agree with you - biases do change peoples views

 

2. things. The majority of Christians appear to take on the old Testament as well. That allows them all the violence they want. Muhammed lived in a very violent time. He and his people had a very real choice, fight or die. He took on the old system of punishment but reduced the punishments to the lowest level he felt he could get away with. Jesus never had this responsibility. He was more a Martin Luther King and of course Muhhamed never claimed to be the 'son' of god so they are not as comparable as people often think. Now if you were to compare their followers, Christianity appears historically to have had the most vicious although it does have followers who do not follow the old testament and so are more loyal to his tradition and are much less violent.

Violence is the animal nature of the human being, something we share with the Chimpanzee. Human beings however do have higher powers and the ability to deal with things in a much better way. In many ways that is where Islam got the name of being the religion of peace as they used to come up with rules and arguments which avoided violence. Wahhabism is only about 200 years old and has bumped off half the Sufis and by the grace of the US spread itself about and destroyed other Islamic sects. However that being said the vast majority of Muslims still do not go that way. People make a mistake of judging Islam by current Wahhabi types.

Human beings without question have the ability to be more than just animals fighting for what they want. We were intending on moving in that direction after WW2 and I thought we were. 9/11 ended that and now we are dog eats dog while facing human extinction which I guess is what we deserve if we throw away our potential and just act from our most primitive instincts. Neo Liberalism unfortunately has taught people only to think about themselves. This plus the ongoing American wars since 9/11, frequently supported by the EU when we ought to have been working on saving the planet have indeed brought us down again to a more primitive state.