1.5 million Catalans are marching for independence!what's next?Scotland,w-Sahara, Kur

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-20482719

 

So it begins...

 

Yesterday were the Catalan elections... And the soberanism won, ERC(moderate leftist independet party) doubled his diputates respect the previous elections in 2010. The CUP(independentist municipalist socialist organization) entered in the Parliament for first time and first time that they went to the autonomic elections. And also the other forces that are not so clear that defend the independence but yes the right to autodetermination also had many diputates and votes, like ICV and obviously the today governing party, that now, is holding the autodetermination right flag. Let's see what is done in the future.

 

Alex Salmond started off with much less support than he has now. It's still possible.

To the rest of you who are saying "Ooh, shouldn't be allowed" etc and forecasting doom, on a purely pragmatic level can you tell the Catalans they're economically better off as part of Spain than they might be as an independent state within the EU?

I love Spain and wish it well, it's one country I know I could happily live in. But it's economy has crumbled.

 

Subjective and irrelevant.

You should really write your posts is a lighter tone, because you are clearly not as intelligent as you'd like to pretend.
While I'd agree with your statement in general you're not really viewing the current situation in context.
Reality is the Eurozone debt crisis has been highly publicised and even the most poorly educated of Scots (I imagine your among them?) is well aware of the Economic plight in Greece, Spain and Portugal. All 'independent' countries in the EU and Eurozone. People do not like uncertainty, if we were in a depression as in Spain is I'd say your right. Catalans are far more likely to get independence because they are having to emmigrate in the 100s of thousands to look for work, that is not true for Scots. In the context of Europe, Scotland is above average in it's weathering of the economic slump.

Ireland is probably the best model for Scotland, I'd say financial ruin at the hands of bank in debt to Brussels and the IMF sound about right.
You really should do some reading about how Scottish banks have faired in the last 5 years.

I don't care for scottish football to be honest, but the fact that it's a major reference for you says more about you than me.

I'd suggest reading more! (must try harder)

 

Yes; I think that's different for Spanish Catalans because Spain have big economic problems and Catalonia is more rich than the other parts of Spain, so, they must be disgust to undergo a crisis who don't concern them as the other Spanish... In my opinion, if Spain wasn't in that economic situation, Spanish Catalans would not to ask the independence...

 

bbc"Some 57% of Catalans say they would support full independence"

 

If we watch in Spain the map of roads we can watch that If Catalonia get the indepence, Spain will be very poor. Spain needs Catalonia because Spain have got only three roads to go Europe. Two roads cross Catalonia and the other cross Euskal Herria. If Catalonia don't entry in European Union, Catalonia can forbid the pass. The road of Euskal Herria it's not too big, and it's necesary build a other road. The problem are the Pyrenees, and France, France don't need other road, and the European Union don't want a other road. It's better for all people that Catalonia don't go out to the European Union.

 

And Euskal Herria will try again to do a referendum for the autodetermination, and is the other richest region of Spain.

 

1)you are wrong, just other parts of Spain will get extra chance if Catalonia /basque country leave
2) Catalonia/basque country do "entry in European Union" easily or even automatically

 

tribalism blows!

 

Aye thats one way of looking at nation states that have been have been forced to accept genocide and loss of there independence. By those that wish to inflict dictatorship rule over those that haven't the resources to protect themselves.

ie, Syria, Iraq, Libya, Yemen, Grenada, Columbia, Afghanistan, Kuwait, etc etc etc!

And all with CIA mercenaries and laundered CIA Drug money!

Tribalism is better than dictatorship and genocide! ie American military democracy!



Regards
Highlander

 

wasn't tribalism Gabriel Dumont's objective?...

tribalism is most often an attempt to reverse a previous injustice...tribal groups were never asked if they wanted to be invaded/dominated by another tribal group it was generally forced upon them...living in a more enlightened time we need to accept democratic initiatives toward self determination as a human right...

 

no country is going to deny commercial transit through their territory it's a stupid idea financially...

 

no it was not. they wanted to be allowed to have title to their land within canada

 

Quite. Where these odd ideas come from I really don;t know.

 

tribalism...

 

nope..

 

Go on, your kidding right?

Go look at an election map, you'll find yellow of the SNP!

The previous referendum gerrymandered by the Tories, (meaning Highway robbers) the majority voted for independence, and you think the majority want more of the tory policies being forced on them by Thatcher, Cameron, bLiar, Brown .... think again my friend!

I doubt anyone has any hatred for English people or the English nation, but your french / German Aristocracy reprobates are a whole different factors that need to be taken into consideration.

But you have a nice time in cloud cuckoo land!

Regards
Highlander

 

I think the polls speak for themselves. There is no majority position that wants independence in Scotland.

Interestingly a larger percentage of English people than Scots people want independence.

Of course you can always show me polls which point otherwise.

 

Aye .... but whats the point of again leading a horse to water!

Truth and time will prove which opinion is correct!

You can always apologise later!
Regards
Highlander.

 

So you have no links to polls but just expect us to believe you.

What a joke you are.

 

No the polls, and the people of Scotland, not to mention the passed elections!

But would links or honesty help with your bigotry, I think not!

Regards
Highlander

 

Dear oh dear. The poor excuses that deluded nationalists make .

Poor little bigoted highlander and his shortbread tin delusions

 

How do you explain the difference in support for the SNP in elections and the lack of support for Scotland to breakaway from the UK as expressed in the opinion polls? Could it be that the SNP gained such support in spite of its wish to breakaway, not because of it?