10% of the population has an IQ lower than 83, what this means

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  1. Merwen

    Merwen Well-Known Member

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    Older scientific studies are not necessarily invalid just because they were done years ago Mendel's genetic studies were done almost two centuries ago and have held up well.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gregor_Mendel
     
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    that can be true but many times older studies didn't have benefit of new technologies...in Mendel's day race was assumed a fact and even today some diehard's still refuse to believe DNA evidence that race doesn't exist...

    and a single study as you posted isn't accepted as fact it may be correct but until there are a number of studies that confirm the same findings it's not fact...how in the world does anyone determine how much intelligence you inherited from parents and which one? it's not like identifying physical traits, nose size, teeth, hair color...you can't point to a brain cell and say that one came from parent a or b...an intelligent individual can have low achieving parents how is that explained?....or intelligent parents can have low achieving children...how much is due to good parenting/environment how much is genetic?...to confirm what is happening in a brain is tremendously difficult...as my Neurologist friend said to me "We can't experiment on human brains because of the ethics and potential damage. We can experiment on animals but they can't tell us what's happening in their brains"

    I prefer my friend the Neurologist pov... genetics is a component of one's intelligence but we(neurologists) just don't know how much...
     
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    Humans don't have a choice about food...it is required for life, for growth, for health.
    If you were ever on the side of helping ALL kids achieve their potential, and KNOWING that many kids do not have healthy nutrition at home, you might think about providing nutrition during the school day...
     
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    According to the U.S. Census Bureau’s Current Population Survey, in 2014, 47.6 percent of women between age 15 and 44 had never had children, up from 46.5 percent in 2012. This represents the highest percentage of childless women since the bureau started tracking that data in 1976.

    What parents desire and what they can provide are many times miles apart...
     
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    Then we are in agreement.

    Eventually science may be able to give us more specific answers...if we want them....
     
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    It's their parents job to help them reach their potential, not mine
     
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    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    If these parents aren't capable of making nutritious meals for their children, maybe they should be sterilized.
     
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    Not in the Western World. We can ALL provide adequate nutrition and careful, considered, responsible parenting.

    A family can live much more cheaply on water, brown rice, homegrown or discounted seasonal vegetables, and beans/lentils - than they can on hamburger helper, white bread, cheese, and soda. The crucial factor in doing so is DESIRE to do so.
     
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    I am most assuredly on the side of the kids. That's why I'm happy to keep shouting PARENTAL RESPONSIBILITY from the rooftops.

    And why are you telling me to provide good nutrition .. I already did/do that. You need to tell that to the parents who choose not to, in favour of cheeseburgers and sodas. If you can ask ME to feed kids right, why can't you ask THEM? Your idea of help is terribly misguided, because you're focusing your efforts on the wrong people.
     
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    Land of the free, home of the brave, but everybody's helpless
     
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    Apparently. And apparently the solution is go around harassing the people who already do it right. GREAT SOLUTION!
     
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    Yes, reinforce lazy, the American way
     
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    The hatred that White Progressive Lefties have for the working classes and people of colour is endless.
     
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    They have one goal, power and wealth at everyone else's expense.
     
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    Like I said..."If you were ever on the side of helping ALL kids achieve their potential..."? What's the point in discussing public education if you don't wish to improve the status quo? Burying your head in the sand and proclaiming 'it's not my job' is not a solution to anything...
     
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    These comments are precisely why nothing ever changes! A little judgmental...certainly righteous...and definitely ignoring factual data...oh well...
     
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    Unfortunately, there are a few that don't support public education, either....
     
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    It's not an issue of what 'WE CAN ALL PROVIDE' but more about reality of what IS...

    https://www.nokidhungry.org/who-we-are/hunger-facts
     
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    You take too much personally instead of discussing the issue as it pertains to the USA. Who cares what you 'can do'? What is the reality across the USA?

    You can shout about parents all you wish and it won't change a thing...how does judging others create change?

    If you truly wish to better educate kids, and give them the best potential for development, then you and others need to SHOUT about solutions...
     
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    There are lots of people who don't support public education so it's up to those who do...which is a tough job...
     
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    We are on the side of 'all kids', that's why we keep saying 'all parents' should take responsibility.

    We do wish to improve the status quo, that's why we keep saying all parents should take responsibility

    It's you who is burying your head. You're focusing your effort on those already doing the right thing, and saying nothing to those who most need your input. A complete failure to agitate such people to do better is the ultimate head-burial.

    And we are the ones saying it IS our job. It's you who think it's someone else's job (to raise your children).
     
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    And yes, I truly wish that kids were supported to receive a better education, and given the best potential for development. That's why I keep shouting the ONLY solution.

    Meantime, how does NOT 'judging' encourage bad parents to do better? If no one is calling them on their failure, and someone else picks up after them .. what have they learned? Clearly, your goal is to perpetuate the problem, thereby creating even more bad parents.
     
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    No, your enabling of bad parenting is why nothing ever changes.
     
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    I have my own kids to worry about

    Then I wouldn't be discussing public education
     
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