16 is the suitable Age of Consent for the US (Read)

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Is 16 the appropriate AOC for the US?

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  1. DevilMayhem666

    DevilMayhem666 Member

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    The Age of Consent is the age at which a person becomes legally competent to consent to sexual intercourse. It is usually set at 14 to 16 worldwide, rarely below the former and rarely above the latter. In the US it varies from state to state at 16-18 with 16 being the most common, but what should be the consistent age for the entire country? I believe the most common age (16 years) is quite acceptable due to three factors.


    1. The first factor is of course sexual maturity. When the body is ready for sex is obviously the first kind of maturity to consider when it comes to sexual activity. For example, a pregnant woman with an undeveloped pelvis would usually require a C-section, so its best to wait for sex when puberty is finished which is usually around the age of 16.

    http://www.pamf.org/teen/parents/health/growth-11-14.html

    2. The second factor to consider is emotional maturity. Now full emotional maturity doesn't happen until the mid 20s but to make the AOC that high is ridiculous. However it seems that a 15 year old is emotionally mature enough for sexual activity, as it appears to be the cut-off to prevent emotional damage from from the act.

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19219545


    3. The third and most important factor to consider is intellectual maturity. Consent is about the capacity of mind where one understands what they are doing and its consequences. The definition of "consent" in the legal dictionary.

    http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/consent

    The cognitive abilities of the brain which covers awareness, perception, reasoning, and judgment reaches adult levels by the age of 16.

    http://www.apa.org/news/press/releases/2009/10/teen-maturity.aspx

    http://www.apa.org/news/press/releases/2012/08/adolescent-actions.aspx

    If informed about STDs, contraception, as well as the difference between love and lust through sex education a person at the age of 16 can be quite responsible when it comes to sexual health. Just look at the Netherlands for example.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_education#The_Netherlands

    Its Age of Consent is 16 and parents there often allow "sleepovers" between couples.

    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news...low-in-sleepover-country-of-the-net/?page=all
     
  2. Unifier

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    If you promote something like this, don't act surprised when you end up with a spike in teenage pregnancy. You admit, yourself, that emotional maturity doesn't stabilize until the mid-twenties.
     
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    Whether or not it is the appropriate age for the US is of course a domestic concern.

    I would be more inclined to set the age of consent at 17 and then provide a two year "Romeo and Juliet clause" indemnifying consenting partners even if one is below the age of consent provided their is no more than a two year age gap between the two.
     
  4. Nightmare515

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    I believe this has more to do with the unfair laws of statutory rape. The laws are almost completely one sided.

    A teenager could show you a fake ID that said they were over the age of 18 and you still go to jail if you touch them.

    Plus it has to do with maturity levels as well. These "kids" aren't the little innocent kids that many like to think of them as. I was a bartender in Florida years ago and I couldn't count the number of kids with fake ID's and whatnot trying to pass as adults. These kids know exactly what they are doing, they aren't being coerced into sex.

    Just the other day my buddy was on this social media site called MeetMe. One of the teenagers on there had their age listed as 22. I kid you not her profile read "I'm not actually 22 Im 15 but I'm into older guys thats why I lie about my age, don't like it then go **** yourself".

    That is hardly the innocent little kid that is being coerced by an older person.
     
  5. Ekeleferal

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    ---IMO, we live in a society that condones children of these ages shooting animals to death for sport. If they are believed to have the mental and emotional capacity to do this, they can (*)(*)(*)(*). As far as social and financial repercussions are concerned this is where the parents need to step in and inform them of their decision and the potential consequences, or disallow the behavior outright (might not work and, worse, might backfire). This is excepting individuals showing signs of obvious maladjustment; these types should not engage in either behavior expressed above.

    ---I'd like to see consistency with regards to age. If they can be tried as adults, they can engage in sex. If they can be trained to kill, they can have a shot of liquor, etc.
     
  6. Unifier

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    "Knowing what one is doing" is not the same thing as being emotionally mature.
     
  7. Nightmare515

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    They are emotionally mature enough to drive a car, get a job, and goto adult prison for murder.

    I never understood how a child can be deemed mature enough to understand the nature of a murder they committed and goto adult prison, yet they aren't mature enough to consent to having sex. That makes no sense.
     
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    ---I agree.
     
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    Who says all kids are mature enough to understand the nature of murder, there's a reason young folks aren't tried as adults 90% of the time.
     
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    I think 16 is a fair age. It's reasonable. It's the age of consent of about half the country, anyway.
     
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    ---How often are exceptions made in statutory rape cases? This isn't rhetorical- I do wonder if exceptions in statutory rape cases where the child is deemed mature enough to have consented are comparable to exceptions in murder cases where children are deemed mature enough to be tried as adults.
     
  12. Nightmare515

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    Over 150,000 juveniles are sent to adult jails every year. That's hardly a rare occurrence.
     
  13. Nightmare515

    Nightmare515 Ragin' Cajun Staff Member Past Donor

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    Rarely, statutory rape cases are usually pretty cut and dry. If you are outside of the age gap then you're guilty unless you are married to the minor with their parental consent or something.

    There are even cases where a guy in a bar (21 and up) takes a girl home who was in the bar (she had a fake ID) and he goes to jail. I mean who is checking the ID of the girl they take home in a bar? And even if he did check her ID for some wild reason it would have said she was 21. If the girl lied her way into the bar then she should be the one in jail, but it doesn't work that way. This exact thing happened to a regular at a bar I worked at years ago.
     
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    I think you just want to have sex with underage girls.
     
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    You're usually fair, but I don't think you're being fair here with that assumption. He lays out valid points, and attacking him doesn't refute those.
     
  16. Nightmare515

    Nightmare515 Ragin' Cajun Staff Member Past Donor

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    I have a fiance and a child, thanks. Is that the best thing you could contribute to this discussion was to attack me?
     
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    ---Ridiculous. That is senseless. I cannot imagine how justice is served in what you have described, or what behavior had to be "rehabilitated" in the hoodwinked man that had been duped by deceptive temptress. It boggles my mind because I cannot fathom what end was served. I can't help but think that that is what happens when you use law to proselytize "morals".
     
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    I think whatever age we pick should be the same across the board. As far as nationally, it's a mess, the legal age in some states is low and others are higher, which is silly, especially when we can cross state lines easily and ignore them when online. But just as importantly, whatever age we pick should work for all adult functions. For example, if we say 17, then you can join the army at 17, you can vote at 17, you can drink at 17, and you are no longer eligible for the juvinile justice system at 17, among other things. Having a person able to drive and work at 16, but unable to vote or join the army or have a beer is silly. there's no logic here -- either a person at age 17 or so is old enough to make major life decisions or he's a kid who needs adult permission.

    Having been around teens, I think about 17 is reasonable, I'd be open to 16, but it seems a stretch to have a child so young making such major decisions. Some mature 16 year olds might be able to, but not all of them.
     
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    Solid post. You make a lot of reasonable points.
     
  20. Nightmare515

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    This is what happens when we let emotions dictate law. During the case the parents even tried to sue the bar owner for allowing their daughter into his bar when she was underage. You know, the girl with the fake ID....Their main defense was that guy at the door should have known she was lying. Due to all of the crap surrounding this whole thing they actually had to fire the door guy, whose name was Jeff I remember clearly. Glad I wasn't working the bar that night...

    Not once did anyone stop and say "You know what, how about we blame the GIRL, shes the one who used the fake ID to get into the bar". If you are in a 21 and up bar then everybody assumes you are of legal age...

    But no, they blamed the victim (the guy who "raped" her) the bouncer (Jeff, who let her in with her fake ID), and the owner (who hired Jeff who let her in with the fake ID). That is pathetic and a pure witch hunt against that poor guy who had his life ruined because of this "innocent" little "child". Oh please...
     
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    This is what happens when we let emotions dictate law. During the case the parents even tried to sue the bar owner for allowing their daughter into his bar when she was underage. You know, the girl with the fake ID....Their main defense was that guy at the door should have known she was lying. Due to all of the crap surrounding this whole thing they actually had to fire the door guy, whose name was Jeff I remember clearly. Glad I wasn't working the bar that night...

    Not once did anyone stop and say "You know what, how about we blame the GIRL, shes the one who used the fake ID to get into the bar". If you are in a 21 and up bar then everybody assumes you are of legal age...

    But no, they blamed the victim (the guy who "raped" her) the bouncer (Jeff, who let her in with her fake ID), and the owner (who hired Jeff who let her in with the fake ID). That is pathetic and a pure witch hunt against that poor guy who had his life ruined because of this "innocent" little "child". Oh please...
     
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    Another thing now that Im thinking about it...

    If you serve alcohol to a minor who shows you a fake ID that can be proven as being "reasonably realistic" then you are in the clear. Have sex with a minor who shows you an ID like that can also be used as a defense. The reason it didn't work in the case mentioned was because the guy didn't check her ID himself. In order to prove innocence the guy would have had to prove that he took "reasonable steps to verify her age" before the sexual encounter. Him assuming she was of legal age because she was in a 21 and up bar, illegally, wasn't considered taking those reasonable steps.

    That's the kind of laws we have which are unfair and completely one sided.
     
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    I voted yes for a couple of reasons.

    1st of all, I began sexual activity at 16 myself, and I couldn't have waited any longer...LOL So I am obviously OK with it.

    2nd, if a 16 year old commits murder, aren't they tried as an adult in many cases? To me that implies a level of competence for the teen from the govt's point of view.

    That being said, as a father of 2 teenage daughters I would rather they wait until they are at least gone off to college.
     
  24. DevilMayhem666

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    I would set most activities at 16 and 17 because biologically they are adults. 16 as a trainee age and 17 as the unrestricted age.

    16 years of age

    Age of Consent
    Restricted Driving
    Part time job
    Viewing R-rated Movies
    Viewing and buying porn
    Involved in amateur porn as in homemade videos and pictures


    17 years of age

    Age of Majority
    Unrestricted Driving
    Full time job
    Military service
    Working in the porn industry
    Drinking
    Voting
     
  25. Nightmare515

    Nightmare515 Ragin' Cajun Staff Member Past Donor

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    What?

    With all of the things you listed are you talking about it being legal for them to do or they are just doing it at that age?
     

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