18-year-old boy died after doctors tried to create a vagina from part of his colon

Nobody has to die from professionally performed circumcision today.
Jews circumcise babies. Young Muslims are circumcised during puberty. For them, circumcision is part of the transition to the world of adults.

Male circumcision is part of religious purity, like ablution. Most prophets were circumcised. Male circumcision is one of the very few body modifications that our Creator allows and approves.

It's impossible to make a woman out of a man. These "women" remain men. They have facial hair, chest hair, deep voice, broad shoulders, strong muscles, no ovaries and no ovulation etc.

A fake vagina is not enough!

 

people do die from professionally performed circumcision today though, infections happen, that is why unnecessary elective surgery is risky

I agree, it's looks only, one has to remember that, it's still the body of the gender one was born with

if they stop puberty, they can prevent a lot of those male features you speak of, but yes, they are still the gender they were born with, just they look more feminine, which is fine if that is what they want

just like heterosexuals that are not happy with their body, they may not be happy with elective surgery after they get it either as it still may not meet their expectations - some are - some are not

 

Most patients survive it, but not all. Not sure why some parents still force it on their babies.

All surgeries carry a risk, including circumcision and cosmetic surgery.

15 million cosmetic surgeries are performed every year in US, so lot of people are not happy with their God given bodies. I suppose trans surgeries fall under the category of cosmetic surgery, although facial cosmetic surgeries are by far most common.

 

It is a mental disorder, but that doesn't mean what you imply it means. The treatment is still based upon what is more likely to lead to the best outcomes, regardless of whether the disorder is considered physical or mental. It's not really about conforming, either, it's about a pervasive feeling of being in the wrong body, and distress about it. It's not purely cosmetic, but people undergo surgeries for cosmetic reasons as well.

As I recall from earlier research on the topic, it's actually more likely to save them than kill them over the course of their lives (especially, but not only, in places like Africa with a lot of HIV). It is medically beneficial, not just a cultural norm (even if it started out as a cultural norm).

 

An adult made a choice to have a surgery. It went wrong and he died.

It's not rare. People die all the time from cosmetic procedures.

 

Like I said....pitiful comparison.

 

I don't want to have that discussion. Circumcision can be healthy. Screwing with someone's gender is always destructive in the end. No comparison.

 

It’s both.

 

People who are mentally unstable should not have cosmetic surgery. It is unnecessary. Gender Dysphoria is mental instability. Mind you, I said "should not". Adults can mutilate their body anyway they want. I've seen faces altered to look like a cat!

 

Should they do mental health evaluations on people before they has gastric bypass surgery or breast implants? How about lip injections?

Blanketly saying that any trans person is mentally ill, is transphobic.

 

Live like a moron and die like a moron.

 

The problem is that this is a cult. This boy, probably beginning who knows how early in his teenage years, was told that this was normal. Everyone around him empowered him to make this decision. That this is just what you do if you feel like you're in the wrong body.
All he has to do is sign a paper and a doctor in a hospital will do it for free, paid for by the government. They put him under anesthesia and then he wakes up and will be the correct gender. He probably wasn't thinking about or focusing on exactly what the surgery would entail. Just like a woman who gets cosmetic surgery is only thinking about what she wants to look like, she doesn't think about exactly what the surgery will do, that's not something that's easy for most people to dwell on and think too much about.

In cults, crazy things can be normalized. Everyone else surrounding you seems to think it is normal and gives their approval, so you start feeling like it is completely normal and fine. And you block out the words of anyone else who is outside your circle, not in the cult. Obviously some people are much more susceptible to this than others.

 

That's not actually completely true.
Circumcision Horror Stories
But let's please try not to stray off topic, shall we?

 

very accurate comparison though

 

I think the point is this — this story is from 2016, I believe it’s a rare occurrence due to the lack of any other stories, so not representative of anything. Move along.

 

This is entirely elective plastic surgery. A risk to try and make your body conform to an ideal you'll never live up to it's probably detrimental even when it's successful.

 

Yeah I don't pay attention to all of these botched surgeries, the transitioners and suicide close your ears close your eyes and accept the HRT

 

Yes I am transphobic. Yeah they probably should do mental evaluations but they don't have to. So are you having your genATalia altered soon?

 

Having the foreskin removed, an act for the purpose of cleanliness (though some debate this I acknowledge, is no where near as traumatic has having male genitalia completely removed and having the lower intestine, designed to remove fecal matter from the body, transformed into an imaginary vagina. It may be accurate to you....care to try it out?

 

I thought 18 was the age of adulthood. What is that age over there? Are they calling him a "boy" to garner sympathy? Gender disphoria shouldn't be treated with a scalpel.

 

getting an infection from either unnecessary elective surgery is just as deadly, dead is dead

the difference though is that one is forced on a baby, the other an adult is choosing to take the risk

complications from either can be traumatic, and effect someone for the rest of their lives, even drive some to suicide as both cases have shown

 

So typical of Leftie Progies. Sweep it under the rug, "No big deal", "Nothing worth looking at here, move along"

Can you just be willing to admit these surgeries are extreme?

I doubt even 1% of the population would be able to sit through a close up video of the surgery without some instinctive clench-up bodily reaction from the shock and horror.

I'm not easily shocked by blood and gore and have a pretty high tolerance to being able to watch that kind of stuff, but I could barely even get through one of those videos. A very strong aversion instinct kept rising within me to look away.

 

and seems that is what the right is doing with forced circumcisions and the complications and deaths... why?

do they not care about these children effected by this? Sweep it under the rug, "No big deal", "Nothing worth looking at here, move along"

see, I think we can all agree bad outcomes are sad, anyone suffering from an infection and dying after an elective procedure is sad

 

We're not going there in this thread, FreshAir. Please try harder to restrain yourself to avoid derailing the thread topic.

As I told you before, I do totally agree with you there, but I just want to avoid the topic in this thread getting derailed.
You know as well as I do that that would be going down a deep rabbit hole and is a very controversial subject.

You already pointed out the comparison in this thread. Now please let it go.

 

we most certainly are, if someone is gonna use this to attack all of the left, then we will mention other examples and ask why they do not matter to the right

I get that this comparison weakens the attack on the lgbtq and the left that some want this thread to be about, but it causes people to think... and that is important in discussions like this