2015 Was Hottest Year in Historical Record <yawn>

I don't have a dog in the race. If it's heating due to man, ok but I haven't seen proof of causality. That part has been speculation and the repeated manipulation of data doesn't look good for the doom and gloomers.

 

The liberals don't like me saying this, but it's all about cash for them-and damn the science (which they don't understand anyway). No, they're simply elated that this is a justification for global communism to separate others from their money.

 

what kills me about the entire man-made portion of clinmate change is

1. libs saying conservatives don't believe in climate change. when the truth is, we do believe in climate change, we just don't buy into the man-made part of it.

2. libs get upset that we don't buy what they're selling us in the man-made part of the equation because they have been caught numerous times, fudging the "science" to get the numbers they want. You can't cry wolf 10 times and then get mad when noone believes you the 11th time. YOu made that bed of distrust.

 

If it was really about the "sciecne" they would be backing nuclear and hydro-electric. Those are the two most viable ready to go now solutions. But they dont because that is not the solution they want. If the solution doesn't involve massive government control of the energy economy and redistribution of wealth they are not interested. The fact that they are only receptive to certain solutions shows you that it has nothing at all to do with the science.

 

I think at this point we can all agree that mankind can...and is altering the environment on a global scale.... Correct?
The remaining question is can such alterations impact climate, if so to what degree, and what would be the long term effects of those impacts. Is that fair?

 

I know it's all about your leftie beliefs of taking other peoples money through the government's monopoly on the use of force. There's nothing new in your statement.

Lefties can't stand people being prosperous and happy. We all know this, you hate money in the hands of private citizens. Your phony concern for the environment is as fraudulent as a $3 bill.

 

Get it through you thick head science isnt real! God is and he said they are wrong ami right

 

For the sake of argument lets say the data is factual and was not manipulated. "Historical record" only goes back to 1880, this is a snapshot of earth's historical weather and is completely meaningless.

 

....except for the nearly infinite number of years when it was hotter.

A historical record includes all of history.

 

The liberal plan appears to tax the rest of us to death...

 

maybe... but the problem is, the man-made supporters have been caught lying about it and now noone believes what is being presented.


was 2015 the hottest, or was 2015 the hottest (when you exclude the data from Michagin, that had the coldest winter ever). If I only used data from Antartica in my "average temps of the world".... I could say "the world's temps are the coldest ever

 

Why does anyone bother with this topic anymore?

Reality is that it really does not matter anymore. Sure, it is getting hotter but those who dismiss it will keep doing so no matter what is said and those who believe it is a big deal will keep on believing it regardless. If deniers are correct there is nothing to worry about, if warmers are there isn't a damn thing we can do o fix it. Might as well sit back, take care of your kids, and keep on keepin' on.

In 50 yrs. we will know what to worry about, and most of us will be dead.

 

Wow I got the same impression standing in a whole foods line.

Well with the blizzard of the century the same time as these numb-nuts release their report it seems that God has a sense of humor.

 

LOL .... except the satellite data says it is not warmer than ever. Only the ground stations that have had their data manipulated over and over. Meanwhile, the total ice mass of the north and south poles is the greatest ever recorded since we could take images of it from space.

Ooooops.

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And OBTW. Every dedicated warmista that I know is also a dedicated pothead. Pot, which has been shown to make folks stupid.

Not a coincidence.

 

Proof that Global Warming is for real.

 

I don't see anyone denying climate change..... the only thing up for debate is how much control man plays in the equation.

 

Lets leave aside all that and try to actually discuss the subject
I mean the fact that some people have been wrong, or exaggerated, or as you say lied
Does not alter what ever is the basic reality

Lets begin.
Has mankind proven himself capable of altering the environment on a global scale?

 

Well to answer your question about what mankind can and can't do, we would need a model that represents ALL factors that effect climate. Bring forth that model and we can discuss this like rational human beings, otherwise this cultish nonsense seems to be lacking a lot of essential data to making such pronouncements as to what mankind is or isn't doing...

 

What's the margin of error? Bet I don't get an answer with a link.

 

I suppose that depends on which manipulated data sets you accept...

 

You seem to want to avoid answering a simple question

Has mankind demonstrated an ability to change the environment on a global scale?
It is a simple question.. We will later get into details
You can register objections about models when that issue arises

 

No, I avoid nothing, the reality is that to say man is doing this or that, we would first have to understand all factors that effect climate and go from there. This arrogance wrapped in ignorance approach of the climate change cultists is offensive to anyone with a working brain...

 

A change of 1C degree is the same as a change of 1.8F degrees.

A change of .1C degree is the same as a change of .18F degrees.

The OP's .29 F change - margin of error of .18F = .11F degrees in actual change.

We're having a real heat wave.

 

Link please.

Link please, because it sounds like you are talking about the researchers that released their data, but refused to submit their personal emails. Big difference.

No, for the vast majority of people involved in the research, there really isn't.

Not that it matters.

I read about a study last night that claims early man was responsible for global warming that ended the last ice age. Yeah it's gotten that ridiculous.[/QUOTE]

 

Considering the temperature today is cooler than it has been in the past.............



Funny how the data keeps changing to fit the narrative.