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  1. CCitizen

    CCitizen Well-Known Member

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    In my opinion, and in opinion of 85% of Americans, no one created their own Soul.
     
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    These Suicides and Homicides are at least a National Emergency. The very numbers are staggering 30,000 to 40,000 per year.

    I support Free Speech. One of main arguments against Free Speech is that it leads to extremism. Extremism is bad but the loss of life due to Terrorism is about 100 per year -- several hundred times less then life loss due to regular homicide and suicide.
     
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    As a person with Disability, I believe that all Humans have paramount value. Exceptions are one in many thousands.
     
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    People who murder should be put to death, then they will never kill again.
     
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    Hardly an emergency, nor less a national emergency, people who kill themselves will do so anyway so let them go, and most homicides are committed by criminals who should already been jailed, but where not due to bleeding heart liberals who put the rights of criminals ahead of the law abiding, which is yet another reason to let the law abiding arm themselves.

    Totally false, per the U.S. Department of State terrorist attacks killed more than 18,700 and injured over 19,400 people in 2017 which is the latest per year data available.
     
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    Have any facts to back up that specious claim with?
     
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    Which given the population of the U.S. indicates there are tens of thousands if not hundreds of thousands of people in this country, who have no value.
     
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    You really play that disability card a lot don't you?
     
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    Civilization is a glaring exception in the human condition; the attitudes you display only serve to weaken the species.
    Why do you hate nature?
    Why do you hate mankind?
     
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    I could care less about of the opinion of others in regard to my liberty to decide whether I make a personal decision to live or die. I suspect most of those opinions, while cloaked in religious dogma, are fear based, fear of whether their memories and sense of self persist beyond death. Yet, assuming death is inevitable, we are all on the same road, but most participate in life styles that are a slow means suicide; for instance alcohol, drug, tobacco abuse and even eating to excess.
    As for a soul, not only does no one definitively know if they exist, what they represent, their method of creation, and if they, they do, if they can be destroyed by suicide as opposed to any other means of death. At the towers, 9/11, quite a number chose to jump (committing suicide) rather than burn to death; did that one act somehow tarnish their souls? What of WWI Pilots that chose a bullet in the head over burning to death as their shoutouts plane was spirally to the ground after being shot up in combat? And what of those long suffering from some debilitating wasting disease, prolonged by technology, who view being kept alive against their will by such technology as a form of barbaric torture who decide, rationally, they are ready to stop the suffering? There are religions that believe in souls, but also believe the soul will return after death to physicality again. So, with that paradigm, how could it be a sin to say done with this life, ready for what’s next?
    So, what happens if you die? What do people fear of the inevitable? What will death be like? ... what was it like before you were born and became aware of your existence? An eternity theoretically passed in the instant before you were born.
    Long ago, I lost the fear of death, a product of an incident where I was positive I would be dead in blink, didn’t die, but reconciled the experience, and became free in an indescribable way that allowed me to overcome. In losing that fear I became free to live and continue to do so largely because of curiosity, not religious doctrine. My freedom to live, is also based on my control over my life. Knowing I can opt out by my own decision and hand as a last resort, has, counter intuitively for many, allowed me to endure extreme physical and emotion pain... I have a way out at any time if I choose it, and I like that liberty, that responsibility and control over my life.
    I have leveraged that to be able to experience life rather than live continually avoiding death. I have long figured I will make and carry out a decision to die, assuming it doesn’t happen like a bolt of lightning (have had two friends die that way) when I am ready. But like most that would rather not see death coming, if I have a fear, it would be not knowing how I was to die so my curiosity could be satisfied by... Ok that’s how.... now what? My only other fear... losing the potential for ending my life by my own hand.
     
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    Yet, there are exceptions. How many would traded their life for Hitler’s, in say 1933, if they had foreknowledge of what was to come. The break point for me are those that devalue others and feel they have the right to trample the rights of others because they hold themselves as superior.
    For decades I have always advised other, no matter their perceived inequities, to believe in yourself and not let the opinions of others define who you are and what you believe. It’s the advice I would give you, advice, considering you identify as an asby, you should be better suited than many, to take advantage of.
    BTW, I have a friend whose teen daughter has the same condition (I don’t see it a disability as do some), and find her to be amazingly refreshing to engage in conversation. I get a real person on the other end, not someone continually trying to manage my expectations and perceptions of who they are. She has awesome potential.
     
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    If such is truly the case, and the affected individuals truly do not care about what is in their own best interest, then it is neither the position nor obligation on the part of yourself to care on their behalf.

    Cease seeking to meddle in affairs that are not those of yourself.
     
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    It is ultimately the decision of the individual. If their choosing to end their own existence is truly a sinful act as is being claimed on the part of yourself, then they will be made to pay for their actions.
     
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    I disagree. In Canada, Scandinavia, Russia, most of them are released and only 3\% re-offend.
     
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    This is World-wide data. These are huge numbers. More civilians were killed by USA since WWII then by terrorists.
     
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    There are 34 million people with Moderate Mental Disorder and 10 million people with Severe Mental Disorder in USA. Here.
     
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    Of course, there are evil people like Hitler. These people are very rare. People who are not productive are still not evil.
     
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    Fortunately my parents and therapist did not allow me to drink alcohol. I was never close to becoming an alcoholic. But if I had become one, my situation would have been worse.
     
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    I doubt many, if any here, would suggest productivity as a metric that would justify any action against them. I suspect most that would assess that label on someone in relationship to a committing violence do so after the fact and are using the term to further denigrate a perpetrator of violence.
    As an aside, when I had assessed an employee was as productive a I thought possible I always asked the following questions...

    first to my self,
    1. Did I properly convey the roll and purpose they were to play?
    2. Did I sufficiently learn enough about them to develop realistic expectations or saddle them to fail?
    3. Did I provide adequate training (not from my perspectives, but theirs)?
    4. Did I probe the proper tools?
    5. Did I provide the proper opportunity?
    6. Did I provide myself as a model of the values and work ethic I expected from them?
    7. Did they tell me what they needed to succeed and I listen?
    Of them I ask,
    1. Did they bring effort to the table? Were they engaged?
    2. Did they have the interest and inclination to do the work?
    3. Did they tell me what they needed to succeed? If not, I repeat the questions I ask of myself?
    More often than not, any failures of an employee’s productivity could be traced to me, something I could remedy.

    Now then, assessing evil is entirely different involving questions gain paid for by someone else’s pain.
     
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    There is no rational basis. They want to use authority to take away your rights.

    Its called being a tyrant. Point blank end of story..
    Gun control freaks are tyrannical..
     
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    In my opinion, the loss of 30,000 -- 40,000 lives per year in USA is a tragedy.

    Guns are toys more exciting then video games. Unfortunately, many people lose their lives.
     
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    If millionaires and billionaires had to pay very high taxes on their personal income, many people would benefit. Millionaires and billionaires would not lose much luxury by paying high taxes.
     
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    I agree it's a tragedy.

    Guns are most certainly NOT toys.

    They are the means by which America remains free... without guns Americans become the subjects of the government.

    Allowing that to occur would be far worse than the tragedy of gun related deaths.
     
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    This seems like a concept from XVIIIth Century. My weapon is the pen -- writing on issues.
     
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    Or they would simply move their resources out of the country, away from the reach of tax regulations within the united states.
     
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