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  1. WillReadmore

    WillReadmore Well-Known Member

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    I asked you not to go there. What I said was absolutely correct.

    In the 2016 election, about 3 million more citizens voted for Clinton than voted for Trump.
     
    WillReadmore, Dec 10, 2019
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    Longshot Well-Known Member

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    So, why isn't Clinton the president now?
     
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  3. WillReadmore

    WillReadmore Well-Known Member

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    Please google "electoral college"
     
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  4. bricklayer

    bricklayer Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You wrote that the problem with Trump's economy is that it leaves people behind. That's like saying that the problem with Trump's water is that it gets people wet. Economies leave people behind, and water gets them wet; that's what they do.
     
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  5. Longshot

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    Oh, I'm quite familiar with the constitutional method of choosing the executive.

    So are you proposing an amendment to the treaty?
     
    Longshot, Dec 10, 2019
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    I was curious, so I read an analysis that someone did. It's possible to win the Presidency through the electoral college while only getting 23% of the votes.
     
    eschaff, Dec 10, 2019
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  7. WillReadmore

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    #1 Clinton got nearly 66 million votes
    #2 Trump got nearly 63 million votes

    Democrats have won the popular vote for president in 6 of the last 7 lpresidential elections.
     
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  8. WillReadmore

    WillReadmore Well-Known Member

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    Troll much??

    How about just reading my posts and leave it at that unless you have something to say.
     
    WillReadmore, Dec 10, 2019
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    Per the constitution, there is no popular vote for the president. The president is chosen by electors appointed by the several sovereign states.
     
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    WillReadmore Well-Known Member

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    ??? She got more votes than any other candidate.
     
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    If only that's how it worked, eh?

    Sadly for democrats, it's not. There's the electoral college, and the popular vote is meaningless.
     
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  12. WillReadmore

    WillReadmore Well-Known Member

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    OIC

    What we're talking abouthere is the POPULAR VOTE!!!!
     
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  13. bricklayer

    bricklayer Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    That's got to bother you. Does that bother you? Tell us about how you feel about that? I'll tell you how that makes me feel. It makes me feel the way I feel when I drop a charging boar that out weighs me. No arsenal is complete without an electoral college.
     
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    Can you cite the article and section of the constitution that explains how the POPULAR VOTE works?
     
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    bricklayer Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The popular vote is nothing more or less than two wolves and a sheep voting on what's for lunch.
    I much prefer our republic.
     
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  16. WillReadmore

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    Yes. The EC is heavily weighted against Democratic candidates.

    In 6 of the last 7 presidential elections Dems has the majority of the votes. The EC gave Republicans 2 additional victories in that time - one to Bush and one to Trump.

    Once Texas flips it will probably become a more popular issue among Republicans - lol!
     
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    The point of the treaty is that is gives very few powers to the general government.
     
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    So which 38 states do you think will ratify an amendment that reduces their political power in the treaty?
     
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    It's heavily weighted against democrats because they tend to clump themselves in democratic strongholds.

    The real worry isn't the electoral college for republicans. The constitutional amendment we really need is a way to bow out of the union.

    Wouldn't everybody like that? California could send that idiot they have for a governor to simply inform the federal government that California no longer wants to be part of the union. Texas and Florida could do the same, and suddenly, things start looking a whole lot different. Pretty soon, the federal government would have to take into account keeping whats left of the union together, and that would mean reducing the power of the federal government.

    I would totally be in favor of that. Would you?
     
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    bricklayer Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    and I thank God for that
     
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    No amendment necessary for any of the several sovereign states to leave the treaty. They just leave. There's nothing in the treaty that says they may not do so.
     
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    The popular vote IS a measure of the weight added in favor of tiny states - which are allocated a disproportionate influence.

    Today, we give the weight of millions of votes to smalll states - in addition to the weight of the votes they already have.
     
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    So we should still have spat makers and and boot hook manufacturers?
     
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    So which 38 of the several sovereign states do you think will ratify an amendment that reduces their political power?
     
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  25. WillReadmore

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    The EC isn't a treaty.

    I don't even see the EC as the larger of the several serious problems we have with elections.

    You need to notice that I haven't attacked you here in any way. Please try to follow along in the discussion.
     
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