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  1. Belch

    Belch Well-Known Member

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    Actually, there is. The problem is that we are considered Americans, rather than citizens of a particular state, so if Texas wants to secede, then there's the problem of all those American citizens having to rescind their citizenship.
     
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    The treaty I was referring to is the union into which the several sovereign states acceded. The constitution for the united states of america.
     
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    Can you please cite the language in the treaty that stipulates this?
     
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    bricklayer Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    One of the things that makes the American experiment exceptional is our perspective. We don't think of ourselves, first and foremost, as members of groups rather than as individuals. The EC favors individualism rather than groups.
     
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  5. WillReadmore

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    LOL - good one.

    No, we can not slow the rate at which our economy changes. In fact, America should lead the charge, leaving others to follow.

    What we need to do has more to do with keeping our workforce capable of making the changes that are going to be made.

    Today, kids coming out of high school need to be focused on more than training for a job. They need to be looking to be prepared for a career of changing job market. Also, I suspect we need more in the way of continuing education. In the areas of high tech, innovation, clean energy, etc., etc., I really don't believe that OJT is eough.

    All those laid off manufacturing workers couldn't stop paying their bills and go back to training for some other career. By the time it happened, it was a little too late for anything resembling a smooth transition that would avoid being a financial punch to the gut.
     
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    This DEBUNKS the FAKE "57 Counties" Narrative.

    CLAIM: There are 3,141 counties in the U.S. Trump won 3,084. Clinton won 57.

    AP’S ASSESSMENT: False. Trump won 2,626 counties while Clinton took 487 of them nationwide


    https://apnews.com/afs:Content:5265150031

    (I didn't even realize that the thoroughly DEBUNKED FAKE Story was still floating around).

    Here is an County Map weighted by Population Density

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  7. Longshot

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    Yeah, state schools. They suck. Like the state in general. Why doesn't a high school graduate have the skills required in our modern economy?
     
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    I lived both lives, when our kids were in school, I lived in what passes for a rural area in eastern mass, but with the kids gone, it is the city for me. I can walk to the bar, the corner store, 6 places to eat all within a 10 min walk. Hop in the car and 30 min later I am back in the country. I have 10 world class colleges and hospitals, Music, sports, athletic fields. Hell when the kids were young and I wanted a gallon of milk it was three miles to the nearest store. The closet place to eat was a dunkin donuts in the same plaza. Hell, If you don't like people you could go a week without saying hi to a neighbor.

    And my back yard is only 2500 sq feet which is 5% of my previous yard, but I have a small pool, an outdoor kitchen and a horseshoe pit, what else do I need, not a lawn tractor and 2 hours of lawncare every saturday.
     
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    Please explain how the electoral college favors individualism rather than groups?
     
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    I think its the other way around.

    If I lived in Wyoming, I'd have very different ideas about gun control, and other issue than if Ilived in downtown Chicago or Dallas.

    It's not surprising to me that the low population states have different issues. Perhaps they notice that thei economy is stagnant., while the high tech centers in my link are booming. Perhaps they are more isloated from universities, interaction with those from foreign countries. Maybe people on the coasts are slightly more likely to travel over the oceans. If you live in NYC, most people you meet can speak multiple languages and have all sorts of interesting ideas.

    The idea of destroying the union is an absolute nonstarter. It makes no sense at all. CA would probably be OK, but they contribute a gigantic amount to our union, regardless of whether you know anything about it.
     
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    bricklayer Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    What kind of Rorschach test is that?
     
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    The sovereign states are going to do what they feel is in their best interest. That's how treaties work.
     
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  13. WillReadmore

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    Hey, that's MY story! Only I lived outside Seattle, and now moved in once the kids left.

    My daughter is outside of Boston. She and her husband love it there. And, that is certainly a major education center for the world, let alone the USA. I love the area.
     
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    Our modern economy? What jobs are they not being trained for? All I see are jobs that require a hell of a lot more skill than an 18 year old has or where 50% of out population does work, which is retail, service, trucking, and clerical all of which a high school grad is more than capable of performing and which they do. If you want to talk the trades, up here in Mass it takes 4 years out of school and in your field before you even can take the journeyman's test. And the vocational high schools do a great job here of producing quality apprentices.
     
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    LOL! I wonder what it would look like if gerrymanering were removed.
     
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    What skills are required that 13 years of government training can't supply?
     
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    A treaty is an agreement between countries.

    A constitution is a document guiding one country.
     
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    Are you unaware that the constitution is a treaty established between sovereign states?
     
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    I suspect that there aren't many jobs out there that a high school graduate wouldn't be able to perform at an entry level at graduation … if you made them choose their career path at age 12 or 13.
     
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    It would probably be best for them to eschew working for an evil corporation and to sell their value directly to consumers. That way they would reap 100% of their labor value.
     
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    That's exactly backwards.

    The EC was created as a way for the STATES to vote for the president, not for individuals to vote for the president.

    And, it purposefully gave some individuals less representation than other individuals - in at least a couple different ways.

    They did NOT consider equal representation for individuals.
     
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    Yeah, I laugh at the the rightwingers who decry what liberals have done in the city. What place is more liberal than Mass, and we have the best performing schools, universal health care, and some of the best colleges and the best Hospitols in the country and the highest wages, Yeah, we sure messed it up.

    The burbs and rural areas are fine if you don't like people and want yourself to live in a cocoon. The city is it for me as long as you can take hearing other people flush their toilets!
     
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    Treaty that stipulates that Americans have American citizenship? Are you seriously not aware of this?
     
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    It might be better said to disadvantage groups rather than individuals. People tend to group up, especially people who tend to think of themselves and others, first and foremost, as members of groups rather than as individuals. This sort of group think is antithetical to the American experiment. In America, the government's first responsibility is not to the welfare of the group. Its first and foremost responsibility is to the defense and protection of the individual. Government attempts to improve the general welfare should never violate government's primary dictate to protect and defend individual life, liberty and property.

    The electoral college disfavors groups by distributing electoral power in disproportion to the size of the groups therefore granting more electoral power to individuals within smaller groups. In other words, the fewer individuals an elector represents, the more electoral power each of the individuals they represent has. In this way, the electoral college disfavors groups and empowers individuals.

    To the best of my recollection, one's vote has the most power in Wyoming. That is to say that the electors from Wyoming usually represent the fewest votes cast.
     
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  25. Longshot

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    No. I asked you cite the language in the treaty that forbids any of the several sovereign parties to the treaty from exiting said treaty.
     
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