9/11 Actors

Discussion in '9/11' started by Hunter Rose, Aug 22, 2011.

  1. Fangbeer

    Fangbeer Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yes. Believing a story despite a lack of evidence is different then believing a story without having any evidence.

    People who believe a story despite a lack of evidence still have evidence. They might lack the exact positions of toilet bowls in the rubble pile, or lack a sample from every supporting column and beam in the building, but they do not lack the evidence necessary to conclusively prove that 19 hijackers hijacked 4 planes and used them to attack the WTC towers, the pentagon, and another unknown target that lead to a crash in PA.

    People who believe a story without having any evidence believe that lizard people destroyed the WTC with laser beams.
     
  2. happy fun dude

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    Your story, again doesn't have a SHRED of evidence to support it.. AGAIN I'll clarify, your story about the PLOTTING of the attack, and who was behind it, doesn't have a SHRED of evidence. This is probably why your country can't even convict the alleged plotters. You can prove the MEANS of attack, i.e. hijackers and plane crashes, until your blue in the face, again I don't dispute that and simply remind you that your story about the PLOTTING of the attack is no more substantiated than lizard people and lazer beams. It's not lack of evidence, it's ZERO evidence.
     
  3. happy fun dude

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    ?????????????
     
  4. torch1980

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    This cant be serious, the thousands of people that jumped out of the buildings, the ones running to save there lives, the cops and firefighters who died saving lives are all actors?

    Jesus christ these 911 "truthers" are (*)(*)(*)(*)ing idiots
     
  5. BullsLawDan

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    I know you think you're joking, but this is seriously another theory these kooks have bandied about.
     
  6. LoneStrSt8

    LoneStrSt8 New Member Past Donor

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    You 'cling to your story ,despite the lack of evidence'
     
  7. happy fun dude

    happy fun dude New Member

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    What story is that, exactly?
     
  8. LoneStrSt8

    LoneStrSt8 New Member Past Donor

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    You mean,you dont know?


    Whatever story you are holding up as the alternative to the real story
     
  9. happy fun dude

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    What story is that?

    YOU ought to know!!!

    YOU claim I am holding up a story as an alternative without evidence for it.

    So YOU TELL ME the story you're accusing me of having and holding up as factual.
     
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    LoneStrSt8 New Member Past Donor

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    Sorry, if you don't know,I can't tell you.......

    Seems to me your sole purpose here is to confuse the issue by going off on tangents...
    I'll remember that in the future
     
  11. happy fun dude

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    The issue is very simple..

    You accused me of saying something as fact without evidence..

    All I'm asking is that which naturally follows, what is the argument of mine that you're disputing and claiming I have not supported.

    Of course it confounds things when you know you're talking out your ass and haven't actually caught me in any mistakes, which is why you depend on me to tell you because you have NO IDEA what it is I got wrong despite the fact you make audacious accusations to that effect.

    Retract your slander or put your money where your mouth is..

    This must be the FIRST TIME EVER I've been in an argument with someone where they say I'm wrong and yet still have NO IDEA what it is I'm wrong about and can't even repeat the argument I allegedly made.

    I can't see why.. It's a novel approach.. Tell somebody they don't back up their arguments, but don't tell them which arguments so then they can't back them up and you'll appear victorious.

    Wonders never cease at this place.. Go on....Cop out some more.
     
  12. RtWngaFraud

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    My feelings exactly! So why do you believe the "official" BS story then? Certainly, you could at least offer something convincing, credible or indisputable on at least one aspect? (like for instance, 93's supposed burial?)
     
  13. Fangbeer

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    I don't exactly see how the exact location of the debris is a key piece of evidence to establish that 19 hijackers hijacked 4 planes and used them to attack the WTC towers, the pentagon, and another unknown target that lead to a crash in PA.

    If you take away the exact location of the debris you still have:

    The tracking data that tracked the plane to the location.
    Witnesses to the radio transmissions from the cockpit.
    The CVR and FDR from the flight
    The phone calls from the passengers on the flight.
    Testimony from the family members of the passengers on the flight.
    Debris from the flight on the scene.
    Witnesses to the crash
    Witnesses to the clean up and recovery efforts.
    DNA evidence of the passengers on the flight.
    DNA evidence of the hijackers on the flight.

    And last but not least there's the similarly coordinated actions by hijackers on 3 other flights.

    All of these things point to the conclusion that a plane crashed in PA and that the people who say so are not actors.
     
  14. BullsLawDan

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    Nothing is ever indisputable, especially when trying to convince delusional people.

    You're free to continue thinking, like some people do, that the Earth is flat.

    9/11 deniers are like a guy in an asylum who thinks Elvis is trying to kill him. You can show him Elvis' death certificate, and grave, and the tourists going through Graceland, but until you cure his delusion, it doesn't matter what he is shown, he's not going to stop believing.
     
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    How's that proof showing most of Flight 93 was in the ground going?
     
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    I think you have me mistaken for someone else; if you can show where I made that claim however I'll be happy to provide you the evidence.

    I don't tend to "debate" the specific facts of 9/11; they're pretty much known beyond a reasonable doubt at this point. What I do instead is study and discuss why people (the 9/11 deniers) have what are patently unreasonable doubts. That's more to my expertise than the science of plane crashes and building collapses, and there are many others here who approach those topics more ably. See, unlike 9/11 deniers, I don't try to proclaim or imagine expertise in areas where I have none.
     
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    Oh, you don't believe most of Flight 93 buried in the ground?
     
  18. BullsLawDan

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    I said I don't recall ever making that claim. Did I? If I did, feel free to point out where.
     
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    I know, I just want to know your position on that topic.

    Do you believe most of Flight 93 buried in the ground?
     
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    If you want me to give you my position on something specific regarding the attacks, you'll need to ask a more specific question.

    More importantly, you'll need to show why my answer will have any significance. For example, whether Flight 93 was buried or not, what impact does that have on the generally accepted narrative?

    Generally accepted narrative of Flight 93: Flight 93 took off from Newark, it was hijacked by Muslim terrorists, passengers learning of the other events of 9/11 staged an uprising of sorts to retake the plane, terrorists crashed the plane into the ground to prevent it from being retaken.

    If you can explain how the distribution of debris would change any of that narrative, I might be able to answer your question. I don't claim to be a plane crash expert, though. As I said, I tend to examine the mental illness of the 9/11 deniers, and I also tend to examine their logic, or lack thereof. Your question seems to be more about technical details, about which I am not an expert, and less about critical thinking regarding the events of 9/11, of which I am considerably more qualified.

    It might help, also, to explain what you think happened in the alternative to the generally accepted narrative, and how your understanding of the flight 93 crash site and conditions support that.
     
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    :omg: Um, Ok. Do you believe most of Flight 93 was found underground?
     
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    Because it points to the fact fact that somehow, it was deemed appropriate to make up the BS about it being underground, or if we accept that it actually did crash, "somewhere" in PA, the inability of anyone or any thing to verify whether or not it actually was underground, possibly points to the possibility of it being shot down. Either way, BS. BS means lies. Why would anyone have to lie about it crashing and from presenting some sort of proof? Because "digging too deep" (no pun intended), cracks the foundation of the "official" BS story. If part of it were lies, we should consider it all to be lies.
    Pretty basic questions here. Three possible answers. Yes...No..or "I don't know". Why all the dancing? Because you realize the implications and are bound to protect the lies, whatever way you can.
    So...will that be 1, 2 or 3?
     
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    How is the question relevant to the generally accepted narrative? Does the narrative change somehow depending on the answer?
     
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    Guess you're a L.A. Dodgers fan just like Fangbeer is.

    Let me know when you're brave enough to state your position of what you think happened.
     
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    Ain't gonna happen, but it's entertaining watching him wiggle out of answering directly, and/or insult his way out of it!
     

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