9/11 Truth for Dummies: Why Near-Free Fall Speed Was Impossible Without Explosives

If anything the use of explosives which is an ABSURD CLAIM....would cause the towers to pancake even slower than they did as each explosive charge would apply upward force between floors as charges would have to be applied at all structural supports to allow an even pancake fall.

In reality the weight of multiple floors above a single floor damaged to the extent it would collapse is all that's needed for the towers to pancake as they did.

AboveAlpha

 

You say "came down" so this was something that happened during the demolition of the tower,
right? so the building was destroyed. what more can I say?

 

Just to expand upon how absolutely LUDICROUS the assertion that explosives were used to bring down the towers...let's look at the math.

First of all the towers collapse in a pancake fashion occurred without the aid of explosives and in fact the use of explosives would cause a uneven collapse of each floor.

WHY?

If the assertion that the plane crashes did not cause enough effect to pancake each floor than HUNDREDS of explosive charges would have to be placed on all supports on each floor and then wired perfectly along with all other corresponding floors beneath and then each explosive would have to be detonated just on one individual floor at different times dependent upon what support they were intended for.

Since areas and geometric angles to place charges COULD NOT BE APPLIED on areas of each floors supports that were either encased in concrete or such supports having sides where air conditioning, ventilation, electrical access...etc...would not allow charges to be placed that would ensure a uniform collapse....

......NEVER MIND the impossible task of being able to properly wire the charges on each floor and then floor to floor to exact a pancake uniform timed collapse as even with the use of computers the fact that some supports could only have charges applied to certain sides and angles....

.....A UNIFORM COLLAPSE WOULD BE VIRTUALLY IMPOSSIBLE TO DUPLICATE USING EXPLOSIVES.

AboveAlpha

 

First of all, the airliner crash was totally bogus
the damage to the building was an engineered show done with explosives.
the whole bit was carefully engineered, you say "impossible"
really? so why should ALL of the welds/bolts/rivets (etc... ) fail
right on time in sequence to create the observed result? remember that
the forces that created the alleged collapse event were NOT perfect and
so there would be an inherent imbalance from the very start, and an imbalance
would tend to propagate down the building such that starting out with a say 5 degree bias
in a few floors of "collapse" very well may turn into 30 deg of bias and at that point the
rubble would be dumping over the side & down to street level and the "pile driver" would
loose mass and the whole thing would stop. by what magic was the "pile driver" kept on
top of the building rather than have any given floor tip and slide all that stuff right off.

The idea that TWO skyscrapers could do the same sort of collapse and each be completely destroyed.
& on the same day ..... odds against are astronomical!

 

Prove it. Show your work.

 

Note that the official story has the hijacked airliners used as weapons bit
but really there is no proof at all of any hijacked airliners being used as weapons.
4 airliners so completely destroyed on the same day, & so completely destroyed as
to raise the question was there ever an airliner there in the first place?
what are the odds?

Where are the recovered Jet Engines? Why did "FLT175" melt into the side of the South Tower?
The whole scene is one of cartoon physics, two different crashes create gashes in the sides of
steel framed skyscrapers that show an aircraft shaped cut-out complete with wings.
and people are buying this crap? WHY? Note that if anything is falling at 64% of the acceleration
of gravity, that means only 36% of its weight is exerted upon whatever is below it, and so with
such a low percentage of weight expressed downward, WHY should there be total destruction
& pulverization of tons of building materials? "You don't find a desk, a chair, a computer ... found part of a telephone, a piece of a keypad " what force broke up & pulverized all that stuff? & what magic kept the
"pile driver" centered on the building instead of falling off?

The official story is a LIE!

 

You don't understand the physics involved here obviously.

If you take 20 cut pieces of wood 2 x 4 x 8 ...and place in between each and every wooden block 5 eggs the 5 eggs will be strong enough to support the structure being 20 blocks plus 5 eggs in between each floor high.

Now if you take a sword....and swing at the 5 eggs separating the top block from the second to the top wooden block....the sword with break the 5 eggs and the top block will fall to rest on the second to the top block and no other eggs would break and the structure would remain.

But if you took the sword and swung it at the eggs between the 5th from the top and 4th from the top wooden blocks....the amount of weight of the 4 blocks and eggs in between falling at 32 feet per second square times the mass...thus Mass x Acceleration = Force....the force of those 4 wooden blocks and eggs falling are enough force to crush the egg layers between each lower blocks in a pancake fashion perfectly.

THAT....is EXACTLY what happened to the WTC Towers.

AboveAlpha

 

Do you have any idea how the towers were constructed?
This oversimplification of bits of wood separated by eggs.

Look at the tower, note that there are in the tower tens of thousands
of welds/bolts/rivets ( etc... ) holding this whole thing together.
now in order to produce the observed result, the vast majority of those
tens of thousands of welds ( etc... ) would have to fail right on time, because
if some of them failed early, or late, it would tip the floor, and with the floor thus
tipped, tons of material would slide off & down to street level, stopping the action
and leaving the building damaged but in part, standing.

Please note that my education brought to bear on this subject
is not only physics, but statistics & probability.
what are the odds that TWO skyscrapers would "collapse"
in exactly the same manner into complete & total destruction
& on the same day?

 

100% as they did.

AboveAlpha

 

You say 100%
but is that with or without explosives?
and upon what do you base your assertion?

 

Oh and just to add....the premise of this topic is completely bogus as when both towers pancake collapsed they did NOT come even close to achieving near free fall velocity.

AboveAlpha

 

Two buildings built identical and both hit by jet aircraft filled with fuel at high velocity and both areas that those jets hit were below the threshold line by with the above mass was great enough to create all subsequent lower floors to pancake.

Incidentally they did not both EXACTLY collapse the same way as even though they both pancake collapsed the jets hit different floor levels causing a different velocity of collapse for each.

The fact they both DID pancake collapse means 100% probability.

AboveAlpha

 

The most accurate timing I have seen clocks the descent at 64% of G
and with that said, something descending at 64% of G can only be asserting
36% of its weight upon whatever is under it. mass pulverization of tons of material
violent ejection of tons of material, total destruction of the tower .... and with 36% of
the weight of the upper mass asserted downward upon the structure under it. right.
& I'm the Easter Bunny!

 

Have you ever heard of NFPA 921 Guide for Fire and Explosion Investigations,
in it, they explain that it is extremely rare for anything to be completely destroyed
unless somebody engineered the total destruction of whatever it was.
Therefore, the odds of the towers both being completely destroyed is VERY remote,
and in fact the odds of even one tower being completely destroyed are astronomical.

are you willing to reconsider your stance that it would be impossible
to destroy the towers with explosives, in the manner that they were destroyed?

 

Please!

I hold a degree specific to Particle Physics.

This statement of yours..."the descent at 64% of G
and with that said, something descending at 64% of G can only be asserting
36% of its weight upon whatever is under it."...end quote n0spam is quite possibly the most ridiculous and ignorant statement upon what is F=MA I have ever read.

Anything falling will impact a stationary object at a Force of it's mass x acceleration.

Thus if I drop a brick weighing 2 kilos a distance of 32 feet with the falling brick striking a brick upon the ground...the falling brick will strike the brick on the ground with a force equal to IT'S MASS MULTIPLIED TIMES the bricks Acceleration which is 32 feet per second squared.

PLEASE....do NOT talk about Physics because you have absolutely no education in the field.

AboveAlpha

 

What you are describing is the expression of force witch requires that
the moving object give up some or all of its KE upon impact, that is the
brick STOPS, if the brick were to NOT stop, there would no be the expression of that energy.
just as anything actually falling at 32f/s^2 by its very nature of falling at 1G, has NO
resistance at all under it, so please explain to me how it is that WTC7 is seen to descend
at 32f/s^2 for 2.25 sec and keep its shape while doing so?

 

Unbelievable!

The Force that each subsequent floor below receives is equal to the mass of all floors above multiplied by acceleration and subtracting any kinetic rebound of impact.

THERE IS NO SUCH EVENT AS A CONTINUOUS FREE FLOWING COLLAPSE!!

AboveAlpha

 

also subtract out the mass of the stuff that has just been pulverized & ejected, and subtract out the energy it takes to pulverize & eject said material.

so do tell, just exactly what is it that is documented on video?
a continuous free flowing "collapse" event, that produces mass quantities of pulverized material
the ejection of tons of material, the complete & total destruction of the towers & 7

BTW: since you are educated in physics
please enlighten me as to how it is that WTC7 descended for 2.25 sec at
free fall acceleration and kept its shape while doing so? how is that accomplished
without explosives?

 

At NO TIME did the WTC Towers fall at 32 Feet per second squared for AMY length of time.

It is PHYSICALLY IMPOSSIBLE for any Building Structure whether it is taken down by explosives or taken down in the manner the WTC towers were....and fall at 32 feet per second square.

Since there is ALWAYS material between individual floors which must collapse either by explosives or be terminal weight overload as happened with the WTC's....it is PHYSICALLY IMPOSSIBLE for any building structure to obtain free fall velocity for any period of time.

Since Free Fall Velocity is 32 feet per second square....and since when the building begins to collapse the material between floors PREVENTS the building obtaining such a velocity in the first second THE BUILDINGS RATE OF COLLAPSE WILL ALWAYS BE BEHIND THE FREE FALL ACCELERATION OF 32 FEET PER SECOND SQUARED!!!

Please...give it up....you making my stomach hurt from such ridiculousness.

AboveAlpha

 

my bit about the building descending at G for 2.25 sec, was very specifically
WTC7 and yes this is documented both in "truther" bits and by the NIST.

also as I have said before, the best clocking of the towers collapse is 64% of
free fall and at that rate, it only asserts 36% of its weight on whatever is under the falling bit.

If you disagree with my interpretation of the physics, so be it,
however don't get your guts in a knot about it ... don't worry, be mellow.

anyhow if you would like to see the nice graph that the NIST published
its in NCSTAR 1A page 46 .... enjoy ... & if you would like to have any
more pointers to information, I'll help out as best I can.

have a nice day

: )

 

Look....no matter what any charts or graphs or timed videos might claim....it is physically impossible for any building structure made out of any material to be able to pancake collapse and do so at free fall velocity of 32 feet per second.

It is just physically IMPOSSIBLE....no matter what anyone tells you or conspiracy website claims.

Look at it this way....if at the same time one of the WTC towers began to collapse a brick was dropped from the same height.

Now the brick would fall at approx. 32 feet per second squared minus wind resistence.

The WTC Tower's individual floors would have to pancake and it's fall would not only be slowed by the material between floors but as well it's velocity of collapse would be slowed as each floor is impacted by the floors above.

The brick dropped would hit the ground well before the building stopped collapsing.

AboveAlpha

 

I insist on adding that if you are going to figure the energy of the falling stuff
of the WTC tower, then PLEASE do factor in the energy expended to pulverize
tons of material and also the energy expended to eject tons of material out of the building.
and also subtract the mass thus ejected from the total mass bearing down upon the lower
( and as yet undamaged ) part of the tower.

My bit about WTC7 is significant in that it is documented very well that the
building dropped for 2.25 sec at a rate indistinguishable from free fall and
given that, the ONLY way that this could have been accomplished is to
have the support removed with explosives. Have you seen the videos of
WTC7 "collapsing"?

Have you ever heard of David Chandler or Johnathan Cole?

 

OK....here is the thing....if explosives were used on structural supports any relief of structural resistance would almost certainly be countered by the additional resistance of collapse do to the expansion of air due to the explosives with each floor.

It would be like placing a firecracker between pieces of toast stacked 110 pieces high separated by graham crackers representing the buildings structural supports and then wrap the whole thing air tight with saran wrap.

The exploding firecrackers between toast would expand the sealed pockets of air between levels and slow collapse rate.

AboveAlpha

 

Your statement here is false and very misleading. Check the bolded area and revise.

 

http://www.pbs.org/americarebuilds/artifacts/index.html

A good place to begin.