9-11 Truthers & Holocaust Deniers

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  1. saltydancin

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    Not an anomaly, just cross conditioned way beyond therapy in a suicidal Islam Christiananality pedophile mentality crusade jihad from their megalomaniacal "serve the Pope or die" "second coming" thru a 9/11 culmination. For a Christian Nation to run false flag propaganda of one nation under God with equal justice under law while being thieving US Constitution arsonists inventing immaculate drug conceptions so there is no evidence is about as an Islamidiotocracy as an edict there are no Holocaust gas chamber photos. Studied the Holocaust while attending a university & can't recall where the research papers are as one copy was stolen when a gas space heater flame was turned off, but there were enough sources in books with photos as references. As for a Christian Nations decades old "second coming of Christ" conspiracy thru the 50's up till 9/11 & all their federal sin; where prior to, as the Catholic Church, brokering another business deal for Islam oil as with Germany for Kristallnacht for transport on railroad cars to a promised better life; it's Federal Lynching state of hate KKK churchstate cops baptize eyes by urinations before & again after 9/11 just as decades earlier before & after the assassination of JFK so a Papal entourage baptizing eyes by urinations as thieving JFK bereavement memorial arsonists would be "man is God" as yet another master race master plan of fabricated drug misnomers so their master race could have Arab terrorists which threatened POTUS & to nuke Temple Mount prior to 9/11 go free in order to make more money & eradicate Israel in that "liberty & justice" for all Christians while sheeples are subject to homicidal sociopsychopathic suicidal Islam human farming business of the burning Bush's patriotic act.
     
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    Here's a Catholic bishop who's a 9/11 truther.

    Roman Catholic Bishop Richard Williamson on 9-11 being an inside job



    At the 2:00 time mark he simply comes out and says that the Catholic Church is lying about 9/11. He also says there were no gas chambers in any of the German concentration camps during WW2. The evidence* seems to show that.

    https://mk.christogenea.org/system/...t_revisionism__The_Tighe2001_vs_MSM4U2POM.mp4


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    http://flinttalk.com/viewtopic.php?t=12196&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0
     
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    What Islam oil deal did the Catholics broker?
     
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    Here are a few thousand (and growing).
    https://www.ae911truth.org/
     
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    Yes. Hundreds of witnesses (firefighters/police/rescue workers, local residents, film & news crew, visitors & tourists) have been interviewed and provided their testimony. Should non-eyewitnesses discount the testimonies of eyewitnesses because the former were not there?

    Fictional accounts? No facts? Such as?
     
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    Both are well qualified to speak on their individual fields of expertise, Dr. Hulsey particularly on the engineering/physics front. What makes ae911truth.org 'fraudulent'?

    All skeptics sites promote the official government story, which has been debunked on multiple fronts. That 911 was an 'inside job' is well established. What is not yet established are the original orchestrators of the false flag. Similar to the JFK assassination. That it was a government covert op is well established, but exactly who/what group planned and carried it out is another matter to substantiate.

    That's quite an assumption...but, lacking any basis for it, why even mention it? How about just the facts?
     
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    Osama bin laden designed and carried out 9-11.
     
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    word salad.
     
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    Does that matter? I could just as well ask you, who's funding all the mainstream news media channels, as well as the 'skeptics' sites...all of which promote the official 911 fable...and that, in itself, would be cause for alarm. But I don't care who funds them. I care about the facts. What about you?
     
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    Yes it matters. I want to know who's paying them.
     
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    And here:

    http://www.consensus911.org/point-g-1/

    And the "mastermind" of 9/11 morphed from Bin Laden to Khalid Sheikh Mohammed because he "confessed" to doing 9/11 "from A to Z" after being renditioned to black sites and tortured hundreds of times, not to mentioned admitting he would say anything to get his torturers to stop torturing him. Again, even if OBL or KSM could have possibly planned and executed 9/11, they could not have been so wildly successful without the help of elements within the Bush administration who so conveniently planned 12 simultaneous war games for the morning of 9/11 and STOOD DOWN on 9/11, not to mention ignored multiple warnings prior to 9/11.
     
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    Thanks...good stuff!

    By the way, have you noticed that all those excellent, detailed 911 documentaries and videos that used to saturate Youtube and Google seem to be virtually wiped out? Now you either can't find them anymore, or you have to scroll through dozens and dozens or even hundreds of pages to find some of them. No matter what the search words used, the front-most pages have been taken over by videos/articles promoting the official story regarding anything conspiratorial...be it the moon landing, the holocaust, 911, JFK, all the false flag shootings & bombings in the U.S., the creation of the Taliban & Al Qaida (and later, ISIS), and so on. Really...quite incredible how blatantly censored it is now...but unwitting to the younger generations.

    I suspect this is why much of the younger generations have virtually zero knowledge or even the slightest inkling that all the above-mentioned events might have been a covert op planned and carried out by their own government. And it's been amazingly effective too. I recall when there was so much discussion all over the internet (and even on TV) about these conspiracies many years ago. Now, all you get is the same old sappy official stories put out by the State Dept., and supported by its army of minions (skeptic sites, mainstream news media, social media, youtube, Google, etc.) and all the bleeding-heart 'victim' videos and articles designed to make anyone who even proposes the possibility of a government conspiracy look like a heartless monster with no respect for the dead and their families...not to mention all the videos, sporting events, TV ads, and news stories that wave the flag in our face, promoting and sanctifying the 'fine soldiers' who 'sacrifice and risk' their lives murdering all our 'enemies' abroad so that we may be 'free' to pursue a life of consumption. What a load of drivel!

    Eventually, if things continue the way its been, there will come a generation that's completely clueless about the true nature of our governments (ie, the old-money 'elites' of the world)...a generation fully programmed and hooked into a technological hive-mind.

    Anyway...here's one back at you. I was lucky enough to find this old video expose again about the Pentagon incident on 911. (I located it via a 911 investigation site). The researcher did an outstanding job debunking the government's Pentagon story here...personally being out in the field and interviewing the very people who were there (including locating the black cab with the broken window and its driver!), and superbly analyzing their stories. This is real investigative journalism...not the government & corporate cheerleaders of FOX, CNN, MSNBC, etc. This one's a keeper!

    The video was found on the following site.
    https://www.citizeninvestigationteam.com/

    Direct link to the 1:10 hr video.
    https://www.citizeninvestigationteam.com/videos/national-security-alert
     
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    Isn't that what people say when they can't refute the facts? Sorry...but if you can't address the facts presented, then what difference does it make who/what is funding the messenger? The source of funding CAN not cast suspicion on the facts. It CANNOT (outside of lying) alter the actual facts. It is then up to the researcher to investigate the validity of the facts presented, no matter if there is or is no reason for suspicion.

    But...while we're at it. Why don't you tell me who is funding them. Then demonstrate how the source of this funding is directly manipulating/distorting/falsifying the actual facts.
     
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    http://www.consensus911.org/press-release-lost-and-found/

    That's the objective, hide the evidence and all the questions raised about the official government stories from the younger generation so only the official version can indoctrinate them. This is how I grew up. I was indoctrinated to believe America stood for freedom, justice and equality and everything the US government does is all about that quest and is a shining example for the rest of the world. And anyone who questions the US government is unpatriotic. That America and the US government are one and the same. Then I grew up and did the research and learned the truth, that the US government is the most lethal terrorist organization this world has ever seen and that it operates 24/7 outside the Constitution and that SCOTUS has been distorting the Constitution since 1803 (Marbury v Madison) in order to pretend it is operating within its principles. That it has massacred millions for profit and power for the very few privileged at the expense and detriment of the rest. And the rest of the gullible indoctrinated sheep fund this mayhem (under threat of imprisonment) and even take part in it (giving life and limb) believing it's all for their safety and freedom.



    Yes I came across that years ago. I've been researching 9/11 nearly every day since about 2004. There's very little I haven't come across, including the "debunker" BS sites.
     
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    You might also be interested in a book by Thom Hartmann entitled, The Hidden History of the Supreme Court and the Betrayal of America. In it he details how the SC handed over (against its own jurisdiction) virtually unlimited power & protections to corporations by ruling that they have the same rights as people...and ruled that the use of wealth can be considered 'free speech', in essence making it legal to bribe politicians.
     
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    Thanks I'm quite familiar with Citizens United v FEC. That piece of garbage and all decisions made by SCOTUS since 1803 were made possible because SCOTUS granted itself the power to "interpret" the Constitution in Marbury v Madison, a power never granted to the Supremes by the Constitution. A veritable coup d'etat by the 3rd branch, an unelected bunch of black robed lawyers. Since 1803, these criminals have been able to "interpret" the Constitution and with that power, have been able to legislate from the bench (a power granted only to Congress), "sign" into law (a power granted only to the Executive) and Amend the Constitution (a specific set of rules set in Article V to modify the Constitution granted only to Congress and the state legislatures) as it sees fit. More than 200 years of corrupt powers seized by these charlatans. While in some cases the SCOTUS has applied some justice, in many cases it has done just the opposite.

    This charade is akin to an employer (The People) giving an employee (SCOTUS) an employment contract that contains a clause whereby the employee can interpret the employment contract as he/she sees fit.

    But you'll hear the vast majority of Americans claim SCOTUS has the power to "interpret" the Constitution because that's what they've been indoctrinated to believe and they hear it all the time from those in authority and the MSM.
     
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    Those who believe in one conspiracy theory often believe in some others.
    HC deniers, 9/11 Truthers, Chemtrail believers, fans of the Reptilian conspiracy theory, Flat-Earthers, and so on ...
    All of them share the same mental configuration.
    They lie to themselves in order to feel better.
    Truth is much harder to stand.

    I would even involve people who believe in some God or voted for Trump. :D
     
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    Then there are those who believe anything and everything that doesn't agree with the official government approved narrative is a "conspiracy theory" regardless of overwhelming evidence that contradicts and/or questions the official government approved narrative.

    Yes, they believe the official government approved narrative well after it's proven beyond the shadow of any doubt it's full of lies and even admitted lies (admitted by the storytellers themselves). So they lie to themselves and keep repeating the same mantra (i.e. "it's a conspiracy theory advanced by conspiracy theorists so it's to be ignored or ridiculed because a conspiracy theory can never be true and conspiracy theorists are merely tin foil hat wackos").

    I can't imagine anyone feeling better about the FACT that the official government narrative about 9/11 is a massive proven lie and that we have yet to learn the truth about 9/11 more than 18 years later. Does it make you feel better to lump everyone who doesn't buy the official government narrative about 9/11 into the same group as Holocaust deniers and other silliness so it makes it easier for you to ridicule them? Both my parents survived the Holocaust, other members of my family were massacred by the Nazis.

    Yet truth is absolute and never changes so it always stands on its own merit. Lies change all the time. And governments lie all the time, this is a historical FACT.

    “If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.” - Joseph Goebbels
     
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    Governments are sometimes lying and sometimes not. That's a real fact. If a government has demonstrably lied, it does not mean that it always lies.

    People who hate the US want to believe that they have killed thousands of their own citizens to fake a cause for war. This confirms their belief that the US is profoundly evil. The confirmation of faith gives one a warm feeling of happiness.
     
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    Ah you're a rose colored glasses kind of guy. There are a few problems with your world view though. Governments are pathological liars and their lies have a habit of being the lethal kind of lies all too often. So when a government is telling us the truth, it then becomes really difficult to believe it's the truth so anyone who is not so gullible always has to be vigilant and demand proof and accountability. Governments also have a habit of mixing truth and lies in order to try to sound credible and be able to peddle their propaganda. Those are all real facts too.

    That's absolutely correct but for the less gullible and for the fact that governments lie all too often, one should always begin with the likelihood that what they tell us is a lie unless and until proven otherwise. For the gullible, they can stick their heads in the sand and just accept what they're told as truth just because it comes from "authority".

    "They must find it difficult, those who have taken authority as truth, rather than truth as authority." - Gerald Massey.

    "The two enemies of the people are criminals and government, so let us tie the second down with the chains of the Constitution so the second will not become the legalized version of the first." - Thomas Jefferson

    In your world Thomas Jefferson and most of our founders must have been tin foil wacko conspiracy theorists, right?

    You are conflating the US with the US government, they are NOT one and the same. The US government has massacred millions of innocent men, women and children and has used American lives to commit genocide and other human rights atrocities around the globe. The jury is still out on whether elements within the US government murdered over 3,000 innocent people on 9/11 for an agenda of genocide but there is a mountain of circumstantial evidence that certainly strongly points in that direction.

    This is an incredibly absurd and illogical claim. Just what kind of human being do you believe gets a "warm feeling of happiness" from such a belief? You?
     
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    Many people outside the US see Americans and their government as a single entity. Especially those who grew up under the anti-American agitation of communist countries. For those, it's a confirmation of their anti-Americanism when the US government massacres thousands of its own citizens.

    Not even criminal organizations commit pointless mass murders. Only a psychopath would do that.

    There was absolutely no need to smash the WTC and kill ~ 3000 innocents. A much simpler lie would have been enough to attack Afghanistan. Something like the false testimony of "Nayirah" that legitimized the Gulf War.
     
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    LOL!!!

    :roflol:

    im sorry, I just have to laugh when I read such absurdly paranoid and irrational comments.

    carry on. :)
     
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    You are correct and it is symptomatic of government indoctrination. Americans (you for example) for the most part are not immune to such fallacies with respect to other nations. And that's why it's often very easy for governments to get their people to agree to go to war with other nations and sacrifice life and limb for the benefit of the few in power.

    Yet governments are often psychopathic entities that do commit mass murder/genocide. History is rife with governments committing pointless mass murder of their own people. Those are incontrovertible facts.

    The problem is it doesn't matter whether you believe there was or wasn't a "need" for the events surrounding 9/11 to happen. They did happen regardless of your beliefs and nothing will change the circumstantial and not so circumstantial evidence implicating elements within the US government as potential culprits. That the 3 WTC towers were globally destroyed as they were on 9/11 has been scientifically proven not to be caused by planes, damage, fire or a combination. That doesn't leave too many other known possibilities.
     

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