A message from Adam to all mankind by Rick Joyner.

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  1. DennisTate

    DennisTate Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    She told me that I had a "mantle of Cyrus" which is interesting
    because I am trying to assist religious people to cooperate more and
    fight less through messages such as Pastor Rick's books.... and also
    near death experience accounts.

    I feel that AboveAlpha has both a Cyrus as well as a Solomon role in life.....
    King Solomon was interested in a huge range of subjects..... and so is AA.
     
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    Okay, as long as if it is God's will. What do you mean by "religious people"?
     
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    It is kind of sad that so many of my most dedicated Christian friends seem to go off into some variation of
    fear / almost paranoia.... and understand so much of what is happening as a threat to them and their group.

    Perfect love casts out fear......... and an emphasis on fear.....
    indicates something of a lack of the mind set of Messiah Yeshua - Jesus on our situation.

    It seems that the most dedicated individuals in most major religious groups make a similar error......

    The following warning from Pastor Rick Joyner to Christians could be adapted to almost all
    philosophical persuasions.


    http://www.heavennet.net/visions/the-hordes-of-hell-are-marching.htm


     
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    A part of the will of G-d for our lives that we deeply religious people often tend to
    miss is that G-d wants us free to make choices.........
    and learn even from our less than wise choices that we make
    due to the reality that we are much like children.

    http://www.near-death.com/experiences/notable/howard-storm.html#a06

     
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    What is the best choice?
     
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    It is the religious people--(the Pharisees) who killed Jesus. We are Christ-followers, not religious people. As mature Christians, we must watch out religious spirit. CHRIST'S EIGHT WOES TO RELIGIOUS SPIRITS. https://www.jonasclark.com/jesus-eight-woes-religious-spirit-pharisees/

    How the Spirit of Religion fights the Spirit of God
    http://www.christian-faith.com/how-spirit-religion-fights-spirit-god/

    God will supernaturally protect, provide, heal and fight for us in the coming dark days. The darker it is, the brighter we have to shine, so as God's supernatual manifestation, like the days of Jesus. We are called to this time, in this period. We are powerful vessel of God, so let it be. All answers are in the Bible, all our solutions are in the Bible, keep reading the Word will help calm down the souls and make all the promises of God as our true reality, no matter the natural circumstance. Let's have our eyes fix upon on Jesus, fear will fade away.
     
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    That can be a rather confusing question to answer because the
    terrible short term decision made by Rav Shaul / The Apostle Paul, to
    persecute Messianic Jews....... . even to "compel them to blaspheme" eventually
    resulted in the Apostle Paul having such a profound humility and deep love for
    Messiah Yeshua - Jesus as well as for his followers..............
    that he really did work harder than pretty much any of the other
    Apostles to promote belief in Rabbi Yeshua - Jesus as being either Moshiach ben Ephrayim/
    Messiah son of Joseph / Yosef, or Moshiach ben David / Messiah son of David.

    Jewish thought speaks of two...... rather than merely one Messiah / Moshiach.

    Luke 7:47

    "Wherefore I say unto thee, Her sins, which are many, are forgiven; for she loved much: but to whom little is forgiven, the same loveth little. "
     
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    I apologize i confuse you, it was not my intention.

    After all these years of making enough bad choices, i finally realize that free choice is over rated, but i know it's necessary. as many Christian teachings say, it is always the best when we stay in God's Will before we make any decision.

    And start to realize the REAL VALUE of free will is to produce True Love, our free will to love God and embrace His love. I guess that's the meaning of life......
     
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    Jesus is our teacher, our counselor, our healer, our physican, our provider, our protector, our lover, our father, our friend...etc He is everyhing and every good things come from Him. but most importantly, Jesus is son of God and He is God himself. He is the Word---one of creaton power beside the Will of God. Jewish don't understand the part of Jesus is God himself, they still think Jesus was just a human. no human is perfect enough to be a perfect lamb to sacrifice for our sins, only the blood of Jesus Christ can wash away our sins, only Jesus can be the Messiah. And Jesus chose not to use force to conquer His people, but love, self-sacrifice, self giving, as demonstrated on the Cross, to draw them back, this is where the ancient Jewish didn't understand, they thought their messiah would have a mighty natural army and use force to take back and rebuild their kingdom on earth at that time. They were wrong. They thought in a natural term, that's why they missed the Messiah Jesus Christ. If they are honest, they should read Isaiah 53, it is old testament, the Jewish Bible, point to their messiah, whom was Isaiah describe to ??? What the Messiah had to go through??? And why???
     
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    Isaiah 53 points to the trials and tribulations the Jews have and are going through. The whole of Isaiah is related to the suffering servant Israel. You should study the whole book and not believe what you are told to believe. Isaiah 53 is the 4th of the Servant songs in the book. Nothing in the Tanakh relates to Jesus. Isaiah 53 is taken out of context, and so are the many so-called references to Jesus. Put in their relevant context that's clearly obvious. Israel is often called a servant by god. The nation as a whole is referred to in the singular - even as you use the term America to cover all Americans.
     
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    Let's see what the scripture said.....

    Isaiah 53...."He was despised and rejected by mankind,
    a man of suffering, and familiar with pain."

    "Surely he took up our pain
    and bore our suffering,
    yet we considered him punished by God,
    stricken by him, and afflicted.
    5 But he was pierced for our transgressions,
    he was crushed for our iniquities;
    the punishment that brought us peace was on him,
    and by his wounds we are healed."

    The scriptures are obviously point to a PERSON.

    And latter part of Isaiah 52, "....Just as there were many who were appalled at him[c]—
    his appearance was so disfigured beyond that of any human being
    and his form marred beyond human likeness—"

    This obviously point to the sufferings and torture of Jesus on the way to the cross. Person again, not nation.

    BTW, what is Tanakh?
     
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    No it doesn't. The nation of Israel is referred to often in the singular - as a person. You have simply taken Isaiah 53 out of context. You should study the whole Book. Jeremiah 31:20
    Exodus 4:22. Hosea 11:1. Isaiah 49:14.

    This is the Jewish belief that in the end times all the world will gather and acknowledge the suffering ot the nation of Israel - singular. All will come to acknowledge that God/Jahweh is the 'Supreme' being. And this belief was theirs 700 years before Christianity came into being. Christianity has misinterpreted Jewish Scriptures since it's beginning.

    The Tanakh is the Jewish Name for their scriptures. You refer to it as the Old Testament. It really is just that. It has nothing to do with the New Testament. Apart from the fact that some of the OT is used by the Jewish Preacher Jesus as he ministered to the Jews - note to the Jews.
     
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    Let's try replacing he/him with the nation of Israel in the scriptures. Since when the nation of Israel took our pain, bore our suffereing??? How is the nation of Israel pierced for our transgressions and crushed for our iniquities???
    And the punishment that brought us peace was on "the nation of Israel"???
    and by the "nation of Israel's" wounds we are healed???

    These scriptures clearly point to the Messiah, the Savior to atone our sins. If Jewish Belief believes these scriptures describe the nation of Israel, they are saying the whole nation of Israel is the Messiah who bore the whole humanity's suffering, pierced for our transgressions, their punishment brought us peace. This doesn't make any sense. They are wrong. And an arrogant mistake too.

    Jesus mainly to minister to the Jews when He was on earth. However, that's not the end of His ministry, it's just the beginning even He died and ascended back to Heaven. Do you know why did Jesus choose Apostle Paul as one of His twelve disciples? Do you know what is the Mystery of Christ/Mystery of the Gospel? That this Mystery plan has been hidden for ages in God who created all things. Do you know the gentiles are also heirs to inherit all the promises and blessings of Abraham once they entered in the new covenant with Jesus Christ? By the blood of Jesus Christ we are redeemed to inherit all the blessings of Abraham, we are redeemed to receive the gift of the Holy Spirit, we are redeemed out of the hand of the enemy, we redeemed from the Law of Curse. And there are so much more regarding the Mystery of Jesus Christ and His riches.

    Anyone who deny Jesus Christ is a fool.
     
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    BTW, the scripture "and by his wounds we are healed.". is a very powerful scripture that we Christians often quoted to have supernatural healing. It works all the times. But only we say it in the name of Jesus, then will the supernatural power in the scripture(the Word---one of the creation power) works.

    It will not work if it's "nation of Israel"....

    The Jewish belief is wrong, period. Because it has no supernatural power, that's from God.
     
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    Read the quote again.

    Jews do not need a Saviour. They are individually responsible for their own sins. A vicarious sacrifice is not acceptable to them. Only Christianity requires this. The disciples did not accept this idea until much later - when they wrote the gospels. Paul was not a disciple and did not have a vision. Every religion, every sect, starts with visions or talking to a god, so Mohammed was right? Abraham - who never existed according to history - was right?

    I've studied the Bible, ancient history of the age, Judaism and ancient cultures for decades, once as a Christian preacher and then as an agnostic. Studying the subjects I describe has shown me the unreliability of the Bible contents.

    All you quote is what you have been taught to believe. Real study will show you a different Bible to the one you believe. Ancient history gives no evidence of Abraham, Moses etc. In fact, it shows the improbability of these people existing. Study the history and you will soon see how ridiculous many facts and figures given are.

    Jesus was a Jewish Preacher, turned into a divine being by the disciples. The Jewish preacher was crucified. Period. No evidence of any resurrection.

    The Bible is full of contradictions, exaggerations and simple stories. And this was the method of teaching the Hebrews used - stories/parables. Matthew tells us Mary and Joseph took Jesus into Egypt to avoid Herod. Luke tells us they took him to Nazareth after fulfilling Jewish ritual at the Temple and they remained in Nazareth. Jesus in two places at once - that's a miracle. All Matthews quotes from the OT relating to the birth of Jesus have nothing to do with Jesus. Reading the whole context and knowing the background of these quotes proves it.
    But Christians prefer to ignore context if it suits their purpose.

    That's a matter of opinion.
     
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    That's nonsense.
     
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    How much Truth contained in our history(from ancient till now)? Is our written history or recently large amount of revealed history creditable? How do you know if they are revealed on some kind of agenda?

    Studying history is not really a reliable method to know whether the Bible is true or not.

    They want you to doubt the WORD OF GOD, because the enemy knows there's great power in the Word, in the Bible. Do not fall for it.

    You were once preacher, come back to God, come back to the Truth. Ask God to give you the Holy Spirit to teach you to reveal truth to you.
     
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    It works for me, really. I can give you my testimony if you like.
     
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    Studying History against the Bible is a very good indication of whether the Bible is true. Add to that archaeology, and we get a good idea where the Bible is true and vice versa. #
    It makes claims that cannot possibly be true when you know the history, culture etc. of the area concerned. I could give you point after point. Don't believe everything you're told. Many Jews have realised the their scriptures are not what they thought, and many Christian scholars are accepting the same. Tanakh scriptures were written for Jewish readers, in Jewish style and Jewish beliefs. They weren't meant for Christians who were 700 years in the future. The Jews believe/believed what I told you. Christianity says they're wrong. And Islam says Christianity is wrong, and JW's and Mormons and Spiritualists hav e their own interpretation, and none can prove they're right. Come to that, some Jewish beliefs are from earlier religions. So it goes on. Each borrows from the other for their own purposes.
     
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    Sorry, I've heard many testimonies in my life, and even given my own before coming to realise what I have been talking about. When we fully understand the workings of our brain and emotions there will be no need for religion
     
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    Forget about what people say, all of them. ASK GOD TO GIVE YOU THE HOLY SPIRIT. ONLY HIM CAN TELL YOU THE TRUTH.

    It is a matter of very importance to know the Truth. Where you spend your eternal life depends upon it. WE do not die. Once our physical body die, it's a start of another journey, no more chance at that point, either Heaven or Hell.
     
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    Again, that's the threat the church has held over it's people for 2000 years. I prefer the Jewish belief. Live life to the best of your ability, help others and when 'mortal' life ends we spend time considering our lives. If we've lived right, we move on to Olam Ha Ba (the afterlife). The Catholic Church has taken this period and transformed it into purgatory.
    As it happens I'm not concerned. I don't believe in hell or heaven. Neither do I believed in a god that says 'Believe as I tell you - or else'.
     
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    Can you not at least ask God and wait for His answer before make such important decision?
     
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    What god? Christian god, Allah, Jahweh, Ra, Marduk, etc. etc. Every adherent has been just as ardent in his beliefs as you.

    4.5 billion years and god just now creates a being and then leaves it to decide what to call it, how to worship it. And to let man fight in his name against someone who also fights in his name. What makes you believe you are right and everyone else wrong? Words written in a book. Christianity has interpreted the Tanakh its way. Islam has interpreted it in its way. Sects today have their interpretation. Religion goes back to the dawn of History. There are signs of a form of religion in the time of cavemen.
     
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