A "proportionate" response to Iran

For openers, I am not sure just why you might equate tax cuts with revenue cuts. (I am simply unaware of our having passed any revenue cuts.)

And I really do not think that Iran would be so unwise as to respond militarily to our destruction of its (minimal) navy and air force. (Syria certainly did not do so, just over a year ago, when we used cruise missiles against it.)

 

I guess you are ignorant of the FINDINGS OF THE US HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES SELECT COMMITTEE ON ASSASSINATIONS IN THE ASSASSINATION OF PRESIDENT JOHN F. KENNEDY 1976

C. "The committee believes, on the basis of the evidence available to it, that President John F. Kennedy was probably assassinated as a result of a conspiracy. The committee is unable to identify the other gunman or the extent of the conspiracy."

So I guess the US Government is also guilty of being believers of conspiracies.....

 

Iran didn't attack Saudi Arabia. Yemenese rebels did. Trump and the Saudis refused to accept the rebel group's claim of responsbility because they WANT war with Iran. They have shown no evidence that Iran was responsible for the attack.

 

Here is a summary of the findings in this regard notes the following: "Scientific evidence negates some specific conspiracy allegations."
https://www.archives.gov/research/jfk/select-committee-report/summary.html

 

Wow. Two that is "2" alleged Saudi intelligence officers.

And

Abu Zubaida who is at least two or three times removed from the Saudi ambassador.

Oh yeah that sure is an indication of the Saudi government supporting the 9/11 attacks.

 

How? I really doubt the rebels have a bunch of long range cruise missiles on hand.

 

The Saudis have an air force. Let them strike back. It's their country, ffs!

 

Well, just the evidence from those missiles that fell short of their intended target indicates the direction from which they came...

 

Some, not all. Do not try to try to take quotes out of context unless you want me to point out your deliberate attempt to mislead.

 

Actually yes. They used long range rockets in attacks in Yemen durng the uprising all the time. They attacked the Yemenese presidential palace with one.

 

So would you dismiss this information if it were the Iranian government that was indicated?

 

You mean the missiles that Saudi Arabia CLAIMED fell short and never let anyone else inspect to verify the evidence? You mean those ones?

 

The Saudi targets were hundreds of miles further away.

 

Yes.

 

I'll believe that iran committed the attacks when Saudi Arabia releases the evidence they claim to have to be verified by the international community. They claim they found other rockets that hadn't made it to the targets,and that they have evidence that they came from Iran, but they refused to let anyone outside of their government inspect this evidence. They have a long history of lying to get wars started.

For example, they were the ones who claimed tohave evidence0 that Iraq had been responsibile for 9/11 and was working closely with Al Queda (which Bush tried to use to justify the Iraq war, but it was proven to be a lie.

 

The Bush Admin. never claimed that Iraq had any connection to the 9/11 attack.

 

Trump forced Iran into a corner and Iran has struck back.

Signed during the Obama administration, the Iran nuclear deal (JCPOA) permanently barred Iran from making a nuclear bomb. In May 2018, Trump removed the U.S. from the JCPOA and reimposed the harsh sanctions that stuck a dagger into the heart of the Iranian economy. Iran’s economy came under unprecedented pressure thanks to the reimposed sanctions, especially oil sanctions, with negative 1.5 percent growth in 2018 and an expected negative 3.6 percent growth in 2019.

Iran has bombed and seized oil tankers. While technically a member of the JCPOA, she has resumed her nuclear research in earnest. She has exceeded the amount of processed uranium. She has exceeded the level of uranium enrichment. She has shot down a very expensive American aircraft that was spying on Iranian military bases.

All of this came as a result of Trump's regretful decision in May 2018.

And now this, the destruction of the world's largest oil refinery.

Politico reports, "Iranian Foreign Minister Mohammad Javad Zarif threatened that an “all-out war” would result from a military strike on Iran by the United States or Saudi Arabia in response to last weekend’s attacks on Saudi oil facilities.

“I make a very serious statement about defending our country. I’m making a very serious statement that we don’t want war,” Zarif said on Thursday.

"We don’t want to engage in a military confrontation,” he continued. “We believe that a military confrontation based on deception is awful, will have a lot of casualties. But we won’t blink to defend our territory."

U.S. Secretary of State Mike Pompeo said there was "enormous consensus" that Iran was responsible for the middle-of-the-night missile and drone attacks last weekend that at least temporarily knocked out half of the Saudis' oil production, nearly 6% of the global oil supply.

"We are still striving to build out a coalition in an act of diplomacy while the foreign minister of Iran is threatening all-out war and to fight to the last American, we're here to build up a coalition aimed at achieving peace," Pompeo said.

"We'd like a peaceful resolution," he said. "I hope the Islamic Republic of Iran sees it the same way."

Just days after declaring the United States was “locked and loaded” in response to a suspected Iranian attack on key Saudi Arabian oil facilities, U.S. President Donald Trump on Wednesday said that he directed the Treasury Department to “substantially increase” sanctions on Iran.

Foreign Policy writes, "That raises several questions: What is left to sanction? How much more could it hurt Iran than losing almost all of its oil exports?"

Good Lord, what a mess. Thank you, Mr. President.

 

CONDOLEEZZA RICE

''Now the Al Qaeda is an organization that's quite dispersed and --and quite widespread in its effects, but it clearly has had links to the Iraqis, not to mention Iraqi links to all kinds of other terrorists. And what we do not want is the day when Saddam Hussein decides that he's had enough of dealing with sanctions and it's time to end it on his terms, by transferring one of these weapons, just a little vial of something, to a terrorist.''

Interview on ''Face the Nation,'' Mar. 9, 2003

https://www.nytimes.com/2004/06/20/weekinreview/the-world-what-the-bush-administration-said.html

Rice was Bush's NSA at the time. Later she became his SecState.

 

Yes I agree with the "why should the US get involved" peeps, Saudi Arabia is mostly disliked by many westerners, they are spoilt brats who treat workers and women horribly. Not to mention their involvement with 9/11, sponsoring of terrorism they are hardly innocents... they can now sponsor their own defense.

By all means deal with Iran but for America's sake... not Saudi Arabia's

 

Really? So an attack on their airforce, and navy is not sufficiently aggressive for them to respond as though it is an act of war? I wonder what else it might take. For once, I can agree with a Trump tweet. Saudia Arabia can seek it own retribution with its own money. I am not interested in putting a single dime down for that terror sponsoring oligarchy. After you have paid for the Bush wars, come talk to me about your next one.

 

Khomeini referred to USA as "Great Satan" but he is dead.

The USA's stealing of Iranian oil in Operation Ajax was not only theft but imperialistic colonialism.

Rouhani? Two days ago it was Trump who said he was the one who refused with him. Further, he refused to meet with Corbyn and Mueller. Yes, you of the far right believe he can act like he is dictator of the world but but it is only you who feel that way.

 

or mebbe about WMD and an impending nuclear attack

 

Exactly. This ain't our fight

 

The Warren Commission said otherwise. And the personnel on it who did the bulk of the investigating were actually looking for a conspiracy (by their own admissions years later).

 

She does not claim in that Iraq is connected to the 9/11 attacks.