Abortion in the case of rape.

No, it doesn't and your dodge is obvious.

 

You're wrong as usual, and you didn't answer my question, Dodge Meister - what are my views on abortion?

No doubt, you were wrong about that, too....

 

I completely forgot about the STD thing. All the more reason to get checked sooner than later

 

hmm .. let me guess -- Red perspective .. so that would mean you wish to force your religious beliefs on others through physical violence - give the state power to punish women for abortion and/or the practice of abortion.

How was my guess ?

 

I propose we instead 'educate and stigmatize' people that abortion is wrong, but keep it legal to engage in immorality in the interest of preserving all the other rights we agree are important even though we can also agree a lot of them are often 'wrong' too. Part of having freedom is the freedom to 'be wrong', both in the factual sense and the moral sense.

 

Terrible.

I'm pro-abortion.

At least you just guessed I'm anti-abortion instead of making a complete ass out of yourself by claiming I was anti-abortion.

 

That's not a 'duty'. Timeliness is a definitely consideration if later they expect their accusations to carry a lot of weight because the quality of the evidence and testimony matters in any decision on whether to bring a charge or litigate a tort claim. Time is the enemy of a secure crime scene and and solid forensic evidence and it impacts reliability of testimony for both the accused and the accusor. An accusation differs in kind, from an accusation proven just as it should. I am all in favor of teaching rape prevention and discussing the potential consequences and complications regarding how one handles an attack like this.

 

Some women consider a morning after pill to be an abortive medication and thus have moral objections to taking it.

 

Any woman who's raped undoubtedly brought it on herself. Not only that but any woman who's not pregnant should be raped by some godfearing man to make sure she's doing her Christian duty [/SATIRE]

 

Its not murder even by the broadest possible definition. That's your agenda doing the talking. She has zero duty to you, to society or to that fetus to accomplish any of your stated goals in your time frames. She has an absolute right to do whatever is in her best interest to promote her welfare. If she sees an interest in protecting that fetus, seeing it as a potential life worth saving, I am 100% in favor of her acting consistent with that interest. That describes my wife after a rape.

I am well aware of your statistic but its global including cultures where rapes are far more common as a tool of warfare or a punishment and access to safe abortion and education are far more limited than in Europe or the States. If I recall correctly our 'stat' is more like 20-25% but of course its all guesswork as long as women are not prone to talking about rape.

Remember that cultures and legal systems that do not even define a rape the same as we do. You would be amazed at how many communities simply define rape as virtually impossible if a husband forces his wife.

 

Then it seems your argument here is really not so much one about rape, but rather abortion in general (equally apply to women who were not raped).

Isn't that mostly true?

 

Didn't make ass out of self at all .. but you did for suggesting as much .. as stated up front was a guess.

so .. with more info . perhaps we can improve the guess .. Blue not Red .. a progressive instead .. who used to wet the bed .. for which his mommy hit him on the head .. and now his logic is misled .. him all the way to the collectivist shed ... use the State power to Jab her in the head instead .. har har har

 

My argument is that what is certainly true about protecting women's rights to decide their own medical care and their own personal rights, is magnified with regard to women who are raped. They need more time, not less, and more support not less, and more respect for their autonomous choices, not less because they underwent more trauma, and have more complicated calculations, more intricate decisions to make, if this baby may be the product of that attack with less capacity to to perform . There are a lot more variables for them to weigh.

 

I didn't say you made an ass out of yourself, nor did I suggest as much.

Go back and read my post....

Terrible guess again.

Not Blue, not "progressive"...

 

Har har .. yeah ya did .. but no big wid .. not Blue not progressive .. nor the utilitarian collective ? Sure about that .. the UC part I mean cause you aint no pro life independent that I ever seen .. extremist of bent ... one side or the other .. a Red Pro Abort .. now that would be something .. from another mother ..

 

I think the best thing you should do is actually talk to women who have been raped. Most rapes go unreported per FBI statistics. And according to this site, here are the following facts of women who have been raped:

• 94% of women who are raped experience symptoms of post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD) during the two weeks following the rape.
• 30% of women report symptoms of PTSD 9 months after the rape.
• 33% of women who are raped contemplate suicide.
• 13% of women who are raped attempt suicide.
• Approximately 70% of rape or sexual assault victims experience moderate to severe distress, a larger percentage than for any other violent crime

And here is another fact about the age of women who are at risk of being raped:

• Females ages 16-19 are 4 times more likely than the general population to be victims of rape, attempted rape, or sexual assault.
• Women ages 18-24 who are college students are 3 times more likely than women in general to experience sexual violence. Females of the same age who are not enrolled in college are 4 times more like.

• 33.6% of rape and sexual assaults are reported to the police.

So, the first question I have is what type of education are you wanting? Sex ed? Conservatives believe that should be taught at home, not at school or anywhere else. Second, how will you help a person who is sexually assaulted and raped to get through the traumatic event? And god forbid, become pregnant. That pregnancy would be a constant reminder of the rape, and the person wants to forget it ever happened. And finally, to tell a person who was raped, whether by family member or another person to take the pregnancy to term is an insult, to say the least, of a woman who was raped.

Finally, your arguments are flawed. There is stigma to the crime. And to force an 11-year-old who was raped by her own relative to carry to term, or any other woman, truly shows you do not understand what it means to be raped. Men, even though can experience sexual assault themselves, can never truly understand.

 

Your view on abortion are for the woman to make her own decision but that is irrelevant, just as mine are when the question was why women feel shame and stigma at being raped.

 

Yada Yada Yada and blah blah blah.

You (mostly) men should find better things to do with your time than to argue the merits of something that isn't any of your business. It matters not how or why or by whom a woman (or girl) gets pregnant. A woman's privacy and autonomy should not be under the control of any government. Period.

 

I think that was the same sort of argument the U.S. South used during Slavery.

"None of your business", "It's our right", "State autonomy"

But anyway, this does prove one thing. None of this is really about the issue of rape. That's mostly just being used as a smokescreen.

 

FoxHastings said: ↑
Why do righties care so much about the NUMBER of rapes? It's as if they think if there aren't many IT'S OK !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
If it's ONE and it's YOURS you'd care a lot more..


Any silly irrelevant talking point to avoid how nasty righties are to women especially raped women..


OOHHHH, the DRAMA!!!!

"quenching their thirst for fetal blood "" ???

...and you wanted to be taken seriously !!!????

Oh, no, I know I can't make you think anything ....

And , of course, I'll never make you understand that's it's the woman's choice as to which is easier...or that women are humans and should have the same rights as everyone else including their choices in health care

 

Talon said: ↑
As far as I'm concerned the decision should be left to the woman.

No woman should be forced to carry the ill-begotten seed of rape to fruition, and there's nothing moral (imo) about forcing her to do it.

Uh, no, you don't as proven by your next paragraph where YOU dictate what women should do....why does that come so naturally to righties that they don't realize when they do it ???

 

Oh lordy, they're still bringing up the fake, debunked "silent scream " crap......seems they have nothing much else if they have to embarrass themselves with that as an "argument"...

 

Gee, you weren't doing too badly until you got to La-La Land with the fairy tale : ""and on the other side will find abortionists committing infanticide."

 

It isn't.

 

Says who ?