Yeah, we just love the pain of cramping and bleeding as a remedy. We know when we are not capable of raising a child....we don’t have the luxury of leaving like men do
You’re right...it’s so common that women abort so they can be strippers. Let’s do away with all guns because a man shot his child for not eating his cereal . We know that’s so common...
Did you SEE the word in there? The word B O R N ?? Born is born …. They are born...….listen until you look up and study what the word "born" means you'll just talk around in circles and I can't help you........
EASY! Whatever the pregnant woman decides is morally right for her … What don't you get about the FACT that your morals mean NOTHING to anyone else on the planet......
kazenatsu said: ↑ So would it be murder if someone prevented a fetus from being born a week past its expected delivery date so they could kill it? It would have been a "baby" but they made sure it was denied baby-status so that it wouldn't be considered "murder".""""""""""""""""""""""""""
That doesn't prove there is a "soul"....does it? No, it doesn't.... That sentences doesn't make any sense....and Anti-Choicers try to weave that into their failed feeble arguments for enslaving women and taking away their rights....so?
Once again, why do you want a law passed for something that doesn't happen and already has a law against it...? Like to waste taxpayer's money?? ...and you shouldn't badger the poster with the same question over and over again.....you got your answer.
I am not religious, but I am spiritual. I regard religion as deeply rooted in the physical world and the spiritual a connection between the soul and the angels. After many years of personal study and research into the spiritual (plus some powerful personal experiences), my world view is dramatically different from most. Without the details, I'll summarize a couple of points. The soul exists before birth, and chooses the parents it wants ahead of time. It enters the fetus anytime between conception and birth, but most souls wait several months because of organ & tissue development in the fetus. It can be pretty boring in there in the early stages. Abortions don't affect the soul. In fact, both the soul of the fetus and the soul of the mother can end the gestation at any time. Both have equal rights here. If there is an abortion (mother's choice) or a miscarriage (fetus's choice) and the pregnancy is ended, then the two souls have the choice of working together again at a later date, during a subsequent pregnancy, and still become a child of that mother & father. This process is much more complex than the view we get only from the physical side of it.
Your so called strawman was an attempt to get you to admit that one day before birth abortion was obviously murder but you ran from it so let's get to the real issue. Any illegal late term abortion should have murder charges instead of the slap on the wrist that is the present penalty.
It’s a strawman because it doesn’t happen! The only way you can abort is to give birth to it and when it is born it is a person and killing it is a crime
We arent talking about illegal abortions...we are talking about legal ones, Men shoot people and that’s illegal, should we ban all guns? ,
Wrong. I have been talking all along about the penalty for illegal abortions and you keep dodging that. Now answer the question. Why not murder charges for an illegal abortion?
You each should vote in this poll. Ranked Vote: How Should the Law Handle Abortion? It's not so much about the specific punishment(s) that should be doled out for illegal abortions, rather its focus is on where the cutoff point should be placed as far as when during the gestational process a legal abortion should, turn into, an illegal one. Which I personally believe is important to come to consensus on before trying to agree on what the punishment is, since how reasonable the rules are may have a large impact on how one views the fairness (or lack thereof) of any consequence. Since it seems like there might have been some confusion on which side of the cutoff you were discussing, I figured you'd probably be interested in something like this. At any rate, I'd definitely be interested in hearing your thoughts on what cutoff points from the list in that thread make the most sense. http://www.politicalforum.com/index...te-how-should-the-law-handle-abortion.539893/ -Meta
Badgering the poster. Your question has been answered A fetus is NOT a person therefore cannot be "murdered".
First define an Illegal Abortion. Second define who is to be charged (Doctor or Woman).. Third, define murder. Once you have done so I have the data required to answer.
Pretty simple stuff but here ya go. "Illegal abortion is any abortion which is contrary to the laws of the jurisdiction in which it is carried out, or sometimes the laws of the country of origin of the participants. When performed in a non-medical or quasi-medical setting, they are sometimes referred to as back-street abortions." Doctor and woman "Murder is the unlawful killing of another human without justification or valid excuse, especially the unlawful killing of another human being with malice aforethought."
Okay, we will use your descriptions. IF the doctor or woman are found guilty of killing a human being with malice or forethought they should be (and are) charged with murder and sentenced accordingly. Now we get to the actual issue which is the term "Human Being". You are of the opinion that a ZEF meets this criteria and almost everyone else is not. There is very good reason that Opinion is not used in legal settings and thus is yours best kept to you and yours.
So at no time before birth is a baby a human being according to you. And by the way that opinion is used in legal settings. "The Unborn Victims of Violence Act of 2004 (Public Law 108-212) is a United States law which recognizes an embryo or fetus in utero as a legal victim, if they are injured or killed during the commission of any of over 60 listed federal crimes of violence. The law defines "child in utero" as "a member of the species Homo sapiens, at any stage of development, who is carried in the womb".[1]
