I think I heard the phrase somewhere- Thou shalt not kill" but I don't know if it also applies to foetuses?
The correct translation is murder, not kill. If you want to go with kill, then I presume you are vegan? BTW, the Bible is only relevant to it's adherents.
Well the alleged author of that quote is also the alleged creator of all things....including miscarriages which apply to fetuses.
1- In that case anti-abortionists will say foetuses are being murdered. 2- As for animals being slaughtered for food, I've got no beef with that, and happily tuck into all sorts of meat products! The Big Man himself okays it, he designed our bodies so he must know what's best for them.. "Everything that lives and moves will be food for you. Just as I gave you the green plants, I now give you everything" (Genesis 9:3)
Why blame God? Jesus said "Satan has bound this crippled woman for eighteen years" (Luke 13:16), then he cured her.
So you don't believe your god created everything, you think Satan did.........you are at odds with a lot of what your fellow "Christians" believe... ...and your totally irrelevant buybull quotations ? What's with that? They aren't proof of anything and never seem to have much to do with the topic....is that really all ya got???
No - "your God" created it, not mine. (And, no, I am not an atheist!) There are those who think that a planet that took 6 million years for God to appear upon then disappear in a flash begs the question; "Is it all a sham perpetrated by believers to suppress the skeptics"? Which is why the right to a personal religious opinion includes that of agnosticism. Therefore no particular favoritism should be shown to any religion whatsoever including that of "non-belief" in a Supreme Being. The first amendment to the US Constitution states "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof". No law of the land can force anyone to believe in a God, whatever be that god, if individuals do not want to do so. This is a "fundamental freedom" of belief and the right to a personal opinion. Religion being synonymous to "faith, belief, divinity, worship, creed, teaching, doctrine, theology", and if freedom of religion was a foundation-stone of our democracy, then agnosticism is also a personal "conviction or judgement" protected by the Constitution. To my mind, consequently agnosticism is also a "belief" (that no God exists) protected by the first amendment. And thus, what a woman does with her body his her business and hers alone. She will dispense with it however she sees fit. In truth, most (but not all women) have an innate respect for birth since they are both its conceptor and generator/producer. If a woman does not wish to pursue a birth, and after a limited time of reflexion, she should be allowed to abort the conception. Beyond that limited period of time, however, the abortion should not be allowed. (The baby can be born and given up for adoption.) Abortion is a "natural" medical act* that should be covered by appropriate medical insurance that should not be forbidden out of "religious" reasons - except for the doctor who disapproves abortions upon a basis of personal ethics and therefore need not be obliged to conduct the abortion. Presumably others will not refuse and a woman should be free to find such assistance ... *Abortion is allowed (color-coded according to "with/without conditions") in these countries as shown on the chart here: Abortion Law
I don't give a rat's ass what most "christians" think, I go my own way.. Anyway I never said Satan created everything, rather he goes around messing things up. God created everything perfectly, but then bad vibes from humans caused "spiritual pollution", disturbing this fragile dream we call "reality" and triggering assorted disasters, illnesses and stuff. In fact the oldfashioned word "Satan" might refer to a great mass of human-generated bad vibes sloshing around the earth, disrupting the peace and harmony. There's a parallel in the film "Forbidden Planet", (pic below) where the invisible monster creates itself from the subconscious dark thoughts of Dr. Morbius. Hence the Bible warning to only radiate good vibes that nothing nasty can feed off- "Whatever is true, whatever is noble, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is admirable—if anything is excellent or praiseworthy—think about such things" (Philp 4:8 ) Oops sorry was I raving?..
Religion or belief in "gods" should have nothing to do with women's rights and/or abortion.... If some posters want to quote their Buybull with nonsensical and irrelevant phrases they can but it has nothing to do with rights and laws , thank goodness! You: """ If a woman does not wish to pursue a birth, and after a limited time of reflexion, "" No reflection needed....23 weeks is the cut off here because that's when the fetus becomes viable and abortion is not allowed unless the woman's or fetus's life or health is in danger..
Yes, you were raving incoherently as usual using the bible, movies and other make believe things to prove a point you don't have.... You're welcome, glad to help....
Reflection is necessary regarding such a serious intervention, and the period of gestation certainly allows it. Moreover, here in France, reflection is an integral part of the process necessarily because parents were known to browbeat their girls into a quicky-abortion paid for by the state. (Abortions in France are covered by the National HC Insurance even for minors.) You are obviously a male who can walk away without the slightest reflection upon "his child".
Oh god please make me funny (sniffle).. But to return to the abortion topic, I feel sorry for aborted foetuses, is there something wrong with me?
Whether I am a male or not has nothing to do with the legal right of women to have an abortion. Men should have no say in abortion even if the child is theirs. That would open the gate to men demanding women have abortions. Abortions are best done as soon as possible and usually are. I see no correlation between a time of "reflection" and parents forcing their child to have an abortion. In this country forcing someone to have an abortion is against the law. """"(Abortions in France are covered by the National HC Insurance even for minors.)""" I admire your countries more enlightened view of abortion...the US has too many stupid people to allow insurance coverage for a legal medical procedure (abortion).
You are free to feel any way you choose....just as other people are (that includes women) . How you feel has no bearing on what others feel or do...and it shouldn't..
Ah but I was almost an aborted foetus myself, but my parents had a shotgun wedding instead. It was a terrible social crime in those days to become preggers out of wedlock, so if they'd aborted me most people wouldn't have minded and would have thought it was for the best. But I might have minded..
OhGAWD! You're back (AGAIN) to your silly sob story about how you were almost abortedandknewitasafetuswith your super fetus powers... OK, now it's time for your next step: regular irrelevant bible quote...lather,rinse,repeat,lather,rinse,repeat....
I mean, one minute I'd have been in a nice warm womb, and the next I'd be in a cold hospital skip out back thinking "what the hell?..."
Correct. Agreed, the child has no legal existence until born, at which the father has paternal rights. You're opinion. Otherwise, not necessarily so. Unlike men (who are quick off the lip with an ill-considered reflexion) some women take time to consider whether they want the child or not. And if they do, would they want to keep it. As a male who has never been pregnant, it is obvious that you cannot possibly understand the above. I doubt Americans are any less intelligent than Europeans, but I do think that they have different ways in expressing themselves. (Americans are "in your face", whilst Europeans are more indirect.) The EU is more than twice as large in population as the US. And each country has a National HealthCare System for its population, which was a condition of entry into the EU. National HealthCare is the obvious solution, particularly for the US, which now has the highest HC-costs of any developed country on this planet (about twice the average of other developed countries): Without which poor-women will continue to see "alternative solutions" that often kill them. About abortions in America, from here: Our Bodies Ourselves, Excerpt:
...lather,rinse,repeat,lather,rinse,repeat......you must be bored.....your posts reflect it..... As I said before you have no argument....or facts or point...
As I said, ]...the US has too many stupid people to allow insurance coverage for a legal medical procedure (abortion). IF there weren't stupid people we'd HAVE Universal Health Care like other countries. YES, it is better for the woman's health to have an abortion as soon as possible....do you not care about women's health? You: """Unlike men (who are quick off the lip with an ill-considered reflexion) some women take time to consider whether they want the child or not. And if they do, would they want to keep it. As a male who has never been pregnant, it is obvious that you cannot possibly understand the above."""" That makes no sense at all... women are individuals...many know from the get go that they don't want a kid and many might need some time to think about it but here they can only "reflect" up to 23 weeks. BTW, there are men in this forum who uphold and defend women's right to abortion. I don't know why you are making it a gender issue.
Correct, but they do nonetheless and particularly in heavily Catholic Europe. And despite entrenched French Catholicism, it voted to allow abortions. Six months is enough time for a woman to make up her mind.
Right, and for some women 6 seconds is enough time....so why are you arguing? It is STILL safer to have an abortion as soon as possible and most HERE are done at 8-12 weeks.
And they'd be wrong, since murder, by definition, is an illegal act. Under that quote, it's okay to eat humans since humans live and move. Like I said, the Bible is only relevant to it's adherents.
