Abortionists killing babes after birth? Infanticide okay?

The murder of unborn babies it not a laughing matter.

But democrats with stone cold hearts of evil always tend to bring out the best in humanity, isnt that right?

 

Woooooooo Billie! But that is one misrepresentation!!!

These are the “Carnegie stages” of embryonic development


Once again playing the shell game by posting a picture of a 23 week foetus next to stages of development



This is what a 6 week old foetus looks like (GA 8 weeks)

Oh! And I source my information from “UNSW embryology” which is a complete online course

https://embryology.med.unsw.edu.au/embryology/index.php/Week_6

Suggest you use it too

 

I am laughing at the source material

As for Steve Jobs - yes his mother may have had a difficult time but there is “difficult” and then there is “I already have two children, and no child support because my husband left me and can only get a part time job, which finishes next month”

 

No but healthcare can and does provide for palliation

 

How so? (humor me) i.e. present a hypothetical scenario

Do you ever think about the human potential lost when you think about abortion? No Jack Nicholson?

 

Wouldn’t grieve if it was him but no.

7.53 BILLION people


Isn’t that enough “potential”?

 

Just because it's illegal does not mean that it still isnt used. Whats to stop an abortionist from performing a partial birth abortion to get an intact specimen for PP to sell? Thats right, absolutely nothing.
You yourself (the liberal left in general) said that if abortion was deemed illegal, women would still get abortions on the black market, so to speak. But you want me to assume because partial birth abortion is illegal, that it never happens? LOL Double standard much?

You so called defenders of the poor and downtrodden missed a demgraphic, fyi

You democrats like to clump together in big cities. Get your people hooked on drugs, say yes to murder and immorality,

You should all watch this from start to finish.



By the way, does anyone here actually support the practice of infanticide?

Actually its no wonder that the cities with the most crime and the most homelessness are under democratic control. The reality is that the liberal left promises the world to the people every election cycle and then never make good.

Sex without consequences? Because women should be proud to execute their future son or daughter.

Are you familiar with the term abortion survivor?

I want you to meet Melissa Ohden


Now a mother, herself, Melissa has experienced first-hand what she calls the “intergenerational impact of abortion.” The reality is that abortion doesn’t just impact a woman’s life. It ends a child’s life and it forever changes the lives of everyone it touches, including women, men, extended family members, friends, and our communities.

Melissa’s biological mother was a 19 year old college student when she had a saline infusion abortion in 1977 that was meant to end Melissa’s life. Although her biological mother thought that she was less than five months pregnant when she had the abortion, the fact that Melissa survived and weighed almost 3 pounds indicates that her biological mother was much further along in her pregnancy than she realized. In fact, when Melissa obtained her medical records in 2007 that detail the abortion procedure that she survived, one of the first notations by a doctor after she survived was that she looked like she was approximately 31 weeks gestation! Despite the initial concerns that doctors had regarding her ability to survive, and the quality of life she would experience if she did, today Melissa is a healthy 34-year-old woman

 

How about Tim Tebow? Or Justin Bieber?
No because everyone is unique. You never know what that person may accomplish in their lifetime. For example, you chose to abort steve jobs. See what kind of impact that has on society? Bottom line: If just one life matters then all life matters. This life is all about the individual --- Its called the sanctify of life. It's impossible to quantify the monumental loss of 60,000,000 lives.

And you apparently understand the "sanctity" of life when it comes to eagle eggs, but not humans? LOL You truly care more about the unborn eagle than you do your own kind? Double standard much?

 

One is an endangered species — there are close to 8 billion of the other.
Not surprised you cannot see the difference.


Also you glossed over a few questions — I guess running is easier to answer items that destroy your entire narrative

“And what are you proposing is done to women that induce abortion, murder of a minor is a capital offense in several states — so the death penalty.
Would that also apply to women who are raped or pregnant with a fetus that has severe abnormalities?”

Also still waiting on on you to disprove the graph you said was a lie...

 

The law

Gosnell used it because he was operating outside of the law. It is one of the strongest arguments for keeping abortion legal is that it can be controlled and safe

 

Try offering me people I would grieve over lols!

When the world has enough resources to keep these children alive and healthy I will rethink my stance on abortion

 

I admire you caring and looking out for those who are starving, that is a noble cause. So you have compassion on starving children, why do you have such a profound shift in heart when talking about the unborn? Do you honestly think abortion is going to solve the problems of society? What is the ultimate goal here? Use eugenics and abortion to create a perfect society and a perfect world?

We all know what Sanger thought of charities, right? She certainly wouldn't want to see the red cross *extending* the misery of the underprivileged, now would she?

The world has enough resources in terms of raw food to feed the entire planet. It's just distribution, corruption and other factors that prevent it from reaching the people who need it the most.
How does abortion fit into this? Is the implication here abortion prevents children from starving? Honest question: Are you saying these starving children would be better off dead?

Please tell me you would grieve over these losses to society!
Cher
Saline Dion
Sean Lennon
BROOKE SHIELDS

If you had to chose a role model for our youth, who would you pick? Mother Teresa or Margaret Sanger?

I want you to meet another abortion survivor.



Claire Culwell

Claire’s biological mom became pregnant with her at the age of 13. Her mother took her to an abortion clinic where she had a surgical abortion. A few weeks later she realized she was still pregnant so she found an out-of-state late-term abortion clinic to do a second abortion. At the clinic they told her she had been pregnant with twins, one was aborted; one survived…

For more information about Claire’s survival and her pro-life speaking, visit www.claireculwell.com.

 

Because I refuse to worry about those who are not already here

A fertilised egg is only a potential child with only a 30% chance of survival. I would rather see the time effort and support going to REAL children, BORN children.

The USA has nearly twice the infant mortality rate of countries like Sweden and Norway

Would it not be better to provide WANTED, born children more resources?

 

Of course it does not help that most starving children in poverty are not “white”

 

Yep! That works!

 

A two year old knows you dont base merit, value or worth of an individual by taking a head count.

 

Good for you, figuring out how to edit out parts of peoples posts you don't like.
You will fit in nicely with the rest of the republicans here, so full of integrity!

Just incase you missed it again

“Also you glossed over a few questions — I guess running is easier to answer items that destroy your entire narrative

“And what are you proposing is done to women that induce abortion, murder of a minor is a capital offense in several states — so the death penalty.
Would that also apply to women who are raped or pregnant with a fetus that has severe abnormalities?”

Also still waiting on on you to disprove the graph you said was a lie...”

 

No no no, you are not doing this right!

They don’t care about the millions of children that have or will lose their life to our for-profit health care.
They don’t care about the children that will be murdered by neglect or malnutrition.

Only the mothers getting raped and impregnated with a deformed child that will cost her millions in medical care that she cant afford, those children are god’s precious ones, they must be saved! Hallelujah Amen! (*until they are born, then they can pull themselves up by the bootstraps, other conditions may apply, no cash value, do not pass go — do not collect $200)

 

You'll have to forgive me. I dont mean to ignore anything - and like I said earlier just repeat the question if needed and I wlll get to it. I have limited time and with it being 3-4 liberals vs me Im obviously not going to be able to get to every single point.

To respond to your question --- I think this is largely a PR stunt that has been created by the left because they are getting nervous about Roe v Wade. But to answer directly: No I do not have a problem with charging these women with murder. After all, the majority of states have laws that include the baby as a person - ie a pregnant mother is shot and killed - police rule it a double homicide. And I see no reason why that should be ignored. The mother is killing her child without justification (she wants sex without consequences and guess what - shes in for a rude awaking) She does not have the right to kill the child. Maybe she should think about the unintended consequences before having sex. Instead of butchering the child for her actions. Like I said, the left never wants to hold the mother accountable and that's exactly what Trump is going to do. It's going to put an end to this murdering madness known as abortion. And it's going to restore accountability to the nation. You are talking a total overhaul of moral code of conduct that is coming. The left, the progressive left and everyone else is going to be left holding the bag... So it's best you guys start jumping ship right now.

Secondly, women who are raped should NOT have to keep the child. It's a very rare exception that I would make. I would also make that exception for incest. Or if the health of the mother was at risk. But look whats happening in Iceland. They've eliminated virtually all down syndrome children - because the profile children before birth. So no, I cant allow that profiling to go on. Fetus with severe abnormalities is quite rare. But so long as the mother's health is not at risk, I see no reason to abort. Let the baby be born and let the mother hold it. That can go along way, even if the baby is dead. Sometimes I feel like the left detaches compassion and love from this entire debate. Killing is closer to hate and protection is much closer to love.

 

Which one is this? I really dont want to leaf through this entire thread again - can you post it here and I will respond in the morning when I have more time

 

Well, at least your views are consistent.
Morbid, and unjust — but consistent

Ding ding ding, we have a winner.
The true reason shines it’s head through. These views are commonplace with authoritarian men and the involuntarily celibate.

Even if RvW is repealed the issue will go back to the states.
Where it will remain and be legal in many of them.

You know America tried to ban abortion before — it didn’t work then, why do you believe it would work now?

Is it compassion to punish women for sex?
Is it compassion to bring an unwanted child into this world where their chance of incarceration, malnutrition, abuse and neglect all skyrocket?

I do not agree with physical removal of a fetus but support 100% pharmacological means, sexual education, and contraceptives.

 

Trump cares about violent crime. It's gone down over 5% since he took office.
As for the mechanics of your argument its a very weak one. We call that black and white thinking. You are making broad generalization and sweeping assumptions... after all, it takes a live baby to be able to have ANY chance in this world. You take that away, and the republicans are the problem? You know what this is? It's just a continued BS attack from liberals who hate this nation and want to destroy the very fabric of America. Dont think like you are going to win any popularity contests anytime soon. If you want to know the truth, your ideology is coming to an abrupt end. How does it feel to be in total political free fall? Religion 101: God said be fruitful and multiply and satan goes against God using abortion. because satan always goes totally opposite of Gods will. That's why you can pin the crown of evil on these people in government that support abortion. Because they are really serving their master --- they are out to destroy the sexes they are out to destroy marriage and they are out to destroy the family (through abortion) and this list is not exhaustive.

Still happy you weren't aborted? America has always been, and will always be, a Christian nation. And no amount of liberal revisionism will change that fact.

 

Maybe so. maybe so...

We have to change the heart. And that's really what Trumps movement is about. It's about a moral code of conduct that should be instilled in the very marrow of society. Let me be clear, I am all for the separation of church and state, but we do live in a world of good and evil and it's really important to understand some of the pitfalls. We need to educate and reeducate people from the ground up about consequences and accountability. How decisions effect you life and really how to make educated decisions that are going to help you later in life. You are talking about the complete overhaul of a nations morals and it's happening right now.

This is why I think it will work this time. Family matters and family love is infectious.

Educating women on the consequences of sex. Your actions matter. We can save a life and avoid an abortion, right? Abortion is a nasty business and it's really time we moved away from it. Some abortion procedures are downright dangerous. I just want people to know there is a better way to handle sex and a higher moral plane we should be looking for. To be honest, yes I do think it is a tough time to bring a child into this world. But that doesnt give us the right to play God. The fear of God is something I cannot overemphasize.

And by the way. Everyone wins in a Trump economy. Including you. And the unborn baby. And the mother. At the end of the day, do we really need more abortion or should we identify the root cause.

Ill ask you this:
Is life more fulfilling for a mother or grandmother verses a women that aborted her children? Each child is a gift from God, nobody gave us the right to take that away. Check the definition if inalienable. That's God's law and evey abortion breaks it.

Like i said, its Life Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness. NOT death oppression and sadness.

 

Abortion supporters are only thinking of Life (quality of life), Liberty (liberty from having to carry a pregnancy) and the Pursuit of Happiness for the woman.


In all honesty, therefore, this was probably not the best simile for you to use.

 

Ho ho ho! Try telling that to some of the pro-choicers in this forum. Some of them will tell you that women are under no moral obligation to utilize any form of birth control! And how dare you try to impinge on her sex life.