As far most Jews being Communist Party members in Germany, I bet this is a complete fabrication. I bet the party that had the highest percentage of Jewish membership, was the Social Democrats. https://www.facinghistory.org/weimar-republic-fragility-democracy/readings/weimar-political-parties Yep, Im right, there is no evidence that a large percentage of Jews voted Communist in the German elections. https://www.jta.org/archive/how-jewish-groups-voted-in-german-general-election
I am finding the logic of the Holocaust-deniers here to be truly fascinating. They claim the death camps and death squads did not exist.......but the Jews were enemies of Germany and deserved the utmost punishment for their crimes. They claim the mass-murders did not happen, but the Jews committed collective treason against Germany and deserved widespread and massive persecution for their evil deeds. They say there were no gas chambers, but "Judaism=Communism" and most Jews earn a living by usury, and therefore deserved to be deported, have their property taken, lose their jobs, lose their citizenship, lose the right to vote or marry the one they love. So basically the Holocaust didn't happen, but the Jews surely did deserve it. That's the Holocaust-denier logic. Pathetic.
Here are Eichmann's interviews, done in 1957, three years before he was captured by the Israelis. interview starts on page 24 and continues on page 101. http://books.google.com/books?id=0U0EAAAAMBAJ&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_atb#v=onepage&q&f=false here is the 2nd part of the interview, and begins on page 146 http://books.google.com/books?id=90...er&rview=1&source=gbs_atb#v=onepage&q&f=false
Obviously, the Israelis didn't treat Eichmann like a welcome hotel guest. But they didn't press him to lie in court. One can watch most of the Eichmann trial on Youtube. Eichmann was always in the best health condition and behaved like any criminal in court who belittled his crimes.
Eichmann was arrested by the Israelis in 1960. He admitted to the Holocaust in an interview to a fellow Nazi in 1957. No duress, no torture, no pressure. But we all know that the HDs believe any Nazi or Nazi employee or collaborator who admits to the Holocaust was a "liar".
HDs believe that anyone who attests to the gas chambers, the firing squads, purposeful mass starvation, high-volume cremation, mass-deportations, is a liar. Be he a Jew, German, Ukrainian, anyone. Kinda hard to "debate" with people who believe anyone who presented evidence and testimony contrary to their claims & ideas, must be a liar. LOL!!!
The motives for this are complex. People don't want to endure this eyesore on German history, or they want a second and successful attempt of Nazism. Neo-Nazi Bela Ewald Althans once said that the Holocaust lie has to fall first, before National-Socialism can come back to life.
Indeed, for many, the agenda and endgame of Holocaust denial is to make a world where Nazism and National Socialism is acceptable again. Its clear as day when you see their beliefs about Jews and other minorities, as they justify and excuse the persecutions, deportations, loss of rights, loss of citizenship, loss of property, loss of jobs, loss of education......right up to mass-murder. They justify and excuse everything but the mass-murder. Its sick.
None of this changes the fact that the majority of the Communist Party's leadership was disproportionately Jewish (1), (2) and at one point Bavaria was entirely under Communist control. The German people had known of the mass murders committed in Russia by Communist butchers but these atrocities remain censored in today's schools: "Stalin's Jews" "We mustn't forget that some of greatest murderers of modern times were Jewish" https://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3342999,00.html EXCERPT "And us, the Jews? An Israeli student finishes high school without ever hearing the name "Genrikh Yagoda," the greatest Jewish murderer of the 20th Century, the GPU's deputy commander and the founder and commander of the NKVD. Yagoda diligently implemented Stalin's collectivization orders and is responsible for the deaths of at least 10 million people. In 1934, according to published statistics, 38.5 percent of those holding the most senior posts in the Soviet security apparatuses were of Jewish origin. They too, of course, were gradually eliminated in the next purges. Many Jews sold their soul to the devil of the Communist revolution and have blood on their hands for eternity. We'll mention just one more: Leonid Reichman, head of the NKVD's special department and the organization's chief interrogator, who was a particularly cruel sadist."CONTINUED The German people simply didn't want to suffer under Communist Jews like Ginrikh Yagota or Leonid Reichman so they supported the then little known National Socialists. (1) Full text of "The Wolf Of The Kremlin biography of Kaganovich" https://archive.org/stream/TheWolfOfTheKremlin/The+Wolf+of+the+Kremlin_djvu.txt EXCERPT “ That Trotsky, unquestionably the most outstanding man among the Bolsheviks, was a Jew did not seem an insuperable obstacle in a party” in which the percentage of Jews, 52 percent, was rather high compared to the percentage of Jews (1.8 percent) in the total population.” CONTINUED (2) “Putin: First Soviet government was mostly Jewish” https://www.jpost.com/jewish-world/...st-soviet-government-was-mostly-jewish-317150 EXCERPT “Russian President Vladimir Putin said that at least 80 percent of the members of the first Soviet government were Jewish.” CONTINUED
Mass murder was acceptable in Nazi-Germany regarding the mentally ill. That was the official opinion of the Hitler regime. But not the mass murder of Jews. The perpetrators themself denied it. Modern Nazi-Fans exactly follow this doctrine!
Ron Star, you obviously have a BIG gap in your history knowledge... never heard or read about Benjamin Friedman? Never read about the Jews in the Weimarer Republic either? Fuenf! Setzen!!
Benjamin Freedman believed that the Jews were evil, traitors to Germany and deserved the Holocaust and all the persecutions. So what's your point?
So because a lot of Jews were active in politics, the Jews of Germany collectively deserved the Holocaust? They deserved to lose their citizenship, right to vote, right to have a job, right to an education, right to own property? They deserved to be deported? Wow. Talk about justifying collective punishment.
So in order to protect themselves from Soviet-style Communism, ALL the Jews of Germany had to be punished and deported? All the Jews of Europe had to be punished and deported? Fascinating. Its funny how you guys say the Holocaust didn't happen, but in the next breath say the Jews were the enemies of Germany and Europe and had to be punished. Irony, I guess.
So you're saying that since Communism was the enemy of Germany, and "Judaism=Communism", all Jews were Communists and needed to be treated as enemies of the state. Basically you're saying the Holocaust didn't happen, but the Jews were enemies of the state and had to be treated as such. Gotcha.
Here's an example of your "eyewitness testimony": EXCERPTS: "• Moshe Peer's astounding Holy Shoah tale - Gassed six times by the Nazis and survived!! - Claims people were murdered in gas chambers at Bergen-Belsen • William Lowenberg's astounding Holocaust tale - Had a magic thirst-quenching pebble, did not drink water, survived on his saliva for 3 years • Yankel Wiernik's Holotale - Babies torn in half, woman leaps 10 ft barbed-wire fence, guards nail inmates' ears to walls, jews roasted on giant outdoor hibachis • Testimony from the Eichmann Trial by Leon Wells - Dug up and burned bodies, used bone-grinding machine, ate lunch on top of corpses • Irene Zisblatt's incredible Holocaust tale- Ate and retrieved diamonds from feces, had 2 post-sterilization children, weighed 40 lbs when liberated • Rivka Yosselevska's absurd Holocaust fable - Escaped biting jew corpses, witnessed geysers of blood” CONTINUED(1) Now, where is your evidence that homicidal gas chambers(2) and deliberate starvation(3) existed and where are the mass graves for the 11 million people who were allegedly killed. Like so much of holocaust lore, the homicidal gas chamber lie is just residual Western Allied propaganda(4). The Poles claimed that millions were murdered in homicidal steam chambers and the Communists claimed that mass murders were carried out using homicidal electrocution chambers(5). Even though the only gas chambers that exist are fake models on display in some holocaust theme parks, the myth still lives on in the heads of a few professionally deceived rubes. (1). “Dozens & Dozens of the Most Outrageous Tales of the Holocaust” http://wolfgangrudolf.blogspot.com/2016/12/dozens-dozens-of-most-outrageous-tales.html (2) “The 'Problem of the Gas Chambers’” http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v01/v01p103_Faurisson.html EXCERPT “Concerning the crematoria of Auschwitz, there is just as there is generally for the entire camp an overabundance of documents and invoices down to the last penny. However, concerning the "gas chambers" there is nothing: no contract for construction, not even a study, nor an order for materials, nor a plan, nor an invoice, nor even a photograph. In a hundred war crimes trials, nothing of the sort was ever produced.”CONTINUED (3) “Allied Forensic Autopsies Confirm Disease, Not Gas” https://20thcenturytruth.wordpress.com/allied-forensic-autopsies-confirm-disease-not-gas/ EXCERPT “Dr. Russell Barton further testified that on entering the camp he had credited stories of deliberate starvation but decided such stories were untrue after inspecting the well equipped kitchens and the meticulously maintained ledgers, dating back to 1942, of food cooked and dispensed each day. Despite noisily publicised claims and widespread popular notions to the contrary, no researcher has ever been able to document a German policy of extermination through starvation in the German camps.” CONTINUED (4) “Auschwitz: Myths and Facts” http://www.ihr.org/leaflets/auschwitz.shtml EXCERPT “Allied Propaganda The Auschwitz gassing story is based in large part on the hearsay statements of former Jewish inmates who did not personally see any actual signs of extermination. Their beliefs are understandable, because rumors about gassings at Auschwitz were widespread. Allied planes dropped large numbers of leaflets, written in Polish and German, on Auschwitz and the surrounding areas which claimed that people were being gassed in the camp. The Auschwitz gassing story, which was an important part of the Allied wartime propaganda effort, was also broadcast to Europe by Allied radio stations. [15] CONTINUED 15. Nuremberg document NI-11696. NMT "green series," Vol. 8, p. 606. (5) "Auschwitz Electrical Conveyor belt of Death" https://disjecta.wordpress.com/2018/01/26/auschwitz-electrical-conveyor-belt-of-death/ EXCERPT "It’s a little known fact that running alongside the scientifically implausible gas chambers at Auschwitz ran the electrified conveyor belts of death. These industrialised slaughter belts, we can assume took the passive cargo directly from the “cattle cars” and electrocuted the hapless victims without struggle then disposed of the evidence in Nazi furnaces. One can only guess at the “special devices” for killing children. Somehow visions of Willy Wonka’s Chocolate/extermination factory spring to mind."CONTINUED
<COMMENTS EDITED> I have never said that the persecution of Europe's Jews was justified because it was not. Collective punishment is wrong whether the victims were Japanese - Americans, Palestinians under Israeli Occupation, or Jews in Europe during WW 2. I am just explaining why people felt the way they did during those times. For example, in 1938, 54% of Americans felt that the persecution of Europe's Jews was partly their own fault(1) while 11% of Americans believed that the persecution of Jews was entirely their own fault. Before the 1930s, German Jews prospered more and lived better than anyplace in the world so you can only imagine the resentment many Germans felt toward Jews when Jews and Jewish leaders around the world declared economic war on Germany(2) when it was struggling to rebuild and most economically vulnerable. It is also a mistake to think that all European Jews under German control faced persecution when many Jews were high ranking members of the Nazi Party(3) and about 150,000 Jews served in Hitler's military(4) with many reaching the highest ranks and some earning Germany's highest honors all with the full knowledge of Hitler and his High Command. The Red Cross reported that about 3 million German Jews lived openly with only minor restrictions (still wrong) while at the Wannsee Conference it was announced that there were about 4.5 million Jews under German control at its highest point. Of those 4.5 million Jews, 4.3 million Jews later filed for reparations.(5) These figures are more consistent with Red Cross and East German estimates(6) than the outrageous numbers cited by the for-profit Holocaust Industry. While all these numbers are approximate, they indicate that the number of Jews who were actually persecuted is not nearly as large as advertised by the fraudulent Holocaust Industry. (7), (. Finally, I am not attempting to excuse the crimes committed by Germany's National Socialists but rather to more accurately depict the scope and nature of those crimes. (1) “American Public Opinion and the Holocaust” https://news.gallup.com/opinion/polling-matters/232949/american-public-opinion-holocaust.aspx EXCERPT “A remarkable survey conducted in April 1938 found that more than half of Americans blamed Europe's Jews for their own treatment at the hands of the Nazis. This poll showed that 54% of Americans agreed that "the persecution of Jews in Europe has been partly their own fault," with 11% believing it was "entirely" their own fault. War in Europe began during the first week of September 1939, when Nazi Germany invaded Poland; in response, both Great Britain and France declared war on Germany. Nearly half (48%) of Americans responding to a Gallup poll that week said the U.S. should not get involved, even if it looked like England and France were losing. Roosevelt took to the airwaves that week either to reinforce or to follow public opinion, declaring that the U.S. would "remain a neutral nation." Nine months later, as France and other Western European nations fell to Nazi Germany, 79% of Americans in a Gallup poll said if they had the chance, they would vote to stay out of the war, and by the summer of 1941, almost eight out of 10 Americans continued to say they did not want the U.S. to enter the war. Yet just under one-quarter of Americans who answered the poll could believe that more than 1 million people had been murdered by Germans in concentration camps; 36% believed that 100,000 or fewer had been killed." CONTINUED (2) "Jews Declare War on Germany 1933" https://archive.org/stream/JewsDeclareWarOnGermany1933/JewsDeclareWarOnGermany1933_djvu.txt EXCERPT "Judea Declares War on Germany!" - Daily Express headline, March 24, 1933. "Judea Declares War on Germany! Jews of all the World Unite! Boycott of German Goods! Mass Demonstrations!" - These were all headlines in the Daily Express on March 24, 1933. "The Israeli people around the world declare economic and financial war against Germany. Fourteen million Jews stand together as one man, to declare war against Germany. The Jewish wholesaler will forsake his firm, the banker his stock exchange, the merchant his commerce and the pauper his pitiful shed in order to join together in a holy war against Hitler's people." - Daily Express, March 24, 1933."CONTINUED (3) “List of Nazis of non-Germanic descent” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Nazis_of_non-Germanic_descent EXCERPT “Notably, there were several high-ranking Nazis of full and partial Jewish descent. “ CONTINUED (4). “Hitler’s Jewish Army” http://counterpsyops.com/2013/02/14/...-hitlers-army/ EXCERPT “Thousands of men of Jewish descent and hundreds of what the Nazis called ‘full Jews’ served in the German military with Adolf Hitler’s knowledge and approval. In approximately 20 cases, Jewish soldiers in the Nazi army were awarded(*)Germany’s highest military honor, the Knight’s Cross. Jews also served in the Nazi police and security forces as ghetto police(Ordnungdienst)(*)and concentration camp guards(*)(kapos). So what happens to the claim that Hitler sought to exterminate all Jews, when he allowed some of them to join in his struggle against Bolshevism and International finance capitalism? “If the Jews were permitted to serve in Hitler’s armed forces then there could not have been a Holocaust.”CONTINUED (5) "The Wannsee Conference: Another Lie Crushed" http://barnesreview.org/the-wannsee-conference-another-lie-crushed/ EXCERPT "The actual minutes of the Wannsee Conference can be read in their entirety—in the original German here, In reality, the Wannsee meeting and its minutes do not contain a master plan to kill Jews; – Nowhere in the meeting’s minutes is genocide discussed, planned, proposed, or even suggested; – The Wannsee meeting never discussed gas chambers, shootings, or any of the fantasies propagated by the exterminationists; – The Wannsee Minutes reported that there were only 4.5 million Jews under German control (yet 4.3 million Jewish compensation claims have been lodged against the postwar German government); – The Wannsee meeting was a planning meeting on how Europe’s Jews should be deported, via transit camps, to the East; with able-bodied Jews being forced to build roads and other labor intensive tasks in those regions; – The Wannsee Conference also made allowance for specific exceptions to Jewish evacuation, such as Jewish German World War I veterans; ALL Jews over the age of 65; and ALL Jews working in industries vital to the German war effort, to be released from the threat of evacuation and be allowed to stay in Germany. There is therefore, no justification for the allegation that the Wannsee Conference was a ‘master plan for mass murder’ and everyone who claims this to be the case, from Netanyahu down, is simply lying." CONTINUED (6) "INTERNATIONAL RED CROSS (IRC) DOCUMENT CONFIRMS 271 THOUSAND NOT 6 MILLION DIED IN CONCENTRATION CAMPS" https://archive.org/details/auschwitz_201905 EXCERPTS: "OFFICIAL INTERNATIONAL RED CROSS RECORDS RELEASED Sealed and guarded since the end of WWII at Arolsen, Germany, the Official IRC records reveal the actual Concentration Camp total death toll was 271,301 For years, people around the world – “the West” in particular – have been told that “six million Jews were systematically murdered by Germans in ‘Concentration Camps’ during World War 2.” Thousands of honest people disputing this claim have been viciously smeared as a hateful anti-Semite. Several countries around the world have jailed and heavily fined people for disputing the claim that “6 Million” Jews were killed. Red Cross and East German government figures put the total deaths at every camp as 272.000, and 282,000 respectively which includes homosexuals, communists, gypsies, murderers, paedophiles etc. The 6 Million figure is a Kabbalist number, a magickal figure which featured in news papers in the early 1900’s." CONTINUED (7). "17 CHARGED IN $42 MILLION HOLOCAUST FRAUD CASE" http://www.nbcnews.com/id/40093058/...ed-million-holocaust-fraud-case/#.XU62pSMwi_U EXCERPT "Federal prosecutors said Tuesday they have broken up a long-running scam in which people falsely claimed to be victims of the Nazi persecution so they could get money out of a fund that pays Holocaust reparations."CONTINUED ("HOLOCAUST CLAIMS CONFERENCE FRAUD LIKELY ‘MUCH HIGHER’ THAN $57 MILLION" http://www.jpost.com/Diaspora/Holoc...aud-likely-much-higher-than-57-million-408298 EXCERPT "For over a decade, a criminal ring within the organization embezzled tens of millions of dollars through false restitution claims.”CONTINUED
100% false. The Jews of the world did not "declare war" on Germany. This is nothing but Nazi propaganda spread by Henry Ford and other anti-Semites to justify bigoted violence against the Jews. The jewish boycott had minimal effect on Germany's economy, and there is no evidence to the contrary. 100% false!!! and you know it. Most of these people were Mischlinge, which means no more than 1/4 Jewish. the 4.5 million figure did not include eastern Poland, Ukraine, Romania, western Russia, Hungary, where an additional 4.5 million Jews resided. that means 9 million Jews under the control of the Nazis or the Fascist allies who were often more than happy to help the Nazis rid Europe of their Jews.
The Wannsee Conference made it clear that those Jews who survived the work camps and the concentration camps would have to be killed, as they would be the strongest Jews and could form a strong army against Germany. One would have to be extremely naive, dishonest or ignorant to not understand that based on the minutes of the Wannsee Conference. Most German Jews who were WW1 veterans were sent to Thereisenstadt, where most did not survive due to disease or starvation. There is no evidence whatsoever that Jews over age 65 were not deported from Germany or the other nations under Nazi control/influence. Such is a baseless fabrication. When Hitler came to power there were 600,000 Jews in Germany. 300,000 fled, the rest were murdered. That's why only 30,000 Jews remained in Germany after the war.
The holocaust has been thoroughly discussed. Nothing spectacular has surfaced that could be added. There is one thing, though, I would like to point out: All the German haters on this and the other thread have one thing in common... they are blind to the mountains of their own crimes!! Andersonville prison camp. Torture of Iraqis. Israeli bombing of Gaza - stealing the Pal's land and livelihood! How America corrupted Afghanistan in Last 20 years.. - YouTube Hiroshima - Nagasaki - Vietnam - Korea - Libya - Iran And you dare to still accuse a 97 year old GERMAN secretary of war crimes!!! Completely nuts! Winning the war has definitely gotten to your heads in a bad way!
Re: The difference between our two assertions is that I have been able to support my assertions with credible sources and you're simply fabricating stock denials of the facts. For example: Henry Ford and "anti Semites" had nothing to do with decisions made by the major Jewish organizations around the world. "Judea declares war on Germany" https://www.historiography-project.org/1933/03/24/judea-declares-war-on-germany/ Dated: March 24, 1933 "JEWS OF ALL THE WORLD UNITE IN ACTION" "BOYCOTT OF GERMAN GOODS" Re: Another deliberate falsehood. Why does even the anti German Wikipedia clearly state: “Notably, there were several high-ranking Nazis of full and partial Jewish descent. “ “List of Nazis of non-Germanic descent” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Nazis_of_non-Germanic_descent EXCERPT “Notably, there were several high-ranking Nazis of full and partial Jewish descent. “ CONTINUED AND “Hitler’s Jewish Army” http://counterpsyops.com/2013/02/14/...-hitlers-army/ EXCERPT “Thousands of men of Jewish descent and hundreds of what the Nazis called ‘full Jews’ served in the German military with Adolf Hitler’s knowledge and approval. In approximately 20 cases, Jewish soldiers in the Nazi army were awarded(*)Germany’s highest military honor, the Knight’s Cross. Jews also served in the Nazi police and security forces as ghetto police(Ordnungdienst)(*)and concentration camp guards(*)(kapos). So what happens to the claim that Hitler sought to exterminate all Jews, when he allowed some of them to join in his struggle against Bolshevism and International finance capitalism? “If the Jews were permitted to serve in Hitler’s armed forces then there could not have been a Holocaust.”CONTINUED Re: The Wannsee Conference records say what they say. At the height of the 3rd Reich, only 4.5 million Jews were under German control. Germany gained control over some Jews as it lost control over others but the number never exceeded 4.5 million. After the war about 4.3 million Jews filed for reparations "CHAPTER 2: THE NUMBER OF JEWS UNDER NAZI CONTROL" http://thesixmillionfactorfiction.blogspot.com/2018/01/chapter-2-number-of-jews-under-nazi.html Section 9: There Were 4.5 Million Jews under Direct Nazi Control EXCERPT "If there was one group which would have been interested in establishing exactly how many Jews were under German control, it would have been the Nazis themselves. In this regard, the official German records offer an astonishing insight. The Nazis estimated that the maximum number of Jews under their control at the Reich’s height was no more than 4.5 million—and they would have had no particular reason to lie or exaggerate. Figures produced by the German government and submitted to the famous Wannsee Conference in January 1942, listed the following numbers of Jews in territories under Nazi control:"CONTINUED "The Wannsee Conference: Another Lie Crushed" http://barnesreview.org/the-wannsee-conference-another-lie-crushed/ EXCERPT "The actual minutes of the Wannsee Conference can be read in their entirety—in the original German here, In reality, the Wannsee meeting and its minutes do not contain a master plan to kill Jews; – Nowhere in the meeting’s minutes is genocide discussed, planned, proposed, or even suggested; – The Wannsee meeting never discussed gas chambers, shootings, or any of the fantasies propagated by the exterminationists; – The Wannsee Minutes reported that there were only 4.5 million Jews under German control (yet 4.3 million Jewish compensation claims have been lodged against the postwar German government); – The Wannsee meeting was a planning meeting on how Europe’s Jews should be deported, via transit camps, to the East; with able-bodied Jews being forced to build roads and other labor intensive tasks in those regions; – The Wannsee Conference also made allowance for specific exceptions to Jewish evacuation, such as Jewish German World War I veterans; ALL Jews over the age of 65; and ALL Jews working in industries vital to the German war effort, to be released from the threat of evacuation and be allowed to stay in Germany. There is therefore, no justification for the allegation that the Wannsee Conference was a ‘master plan for mass murder’ and everyone who claims this to be the case, from Netanyahu down, is simply lying."CONTINUED
