About the Holocaust

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  1. pitbull

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    Please don't blame the Jews as a whole for Zionist atrocities.
    I think that most of the IOF killers aren't religious.
     
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    Actually, I do not see a parallel in the two schools of thought as climate change is ongoing and the period in history we are discussing is static.

    The difference between simply claiming that others have been bribed or are lying and what I have written so far is that I have been able to support my assertions with irrefutable facts and have been able to show where greed has been a driving factor behind the multi billion dollar Holocaust Industry. The following is just one example of many:(1).
    Please note that the source for this fact is The Jerusalem Post which is not known as a hotbed of anti Semitic Neo-Nazism.

    One of my goals during our exchange has not been to win a debate but rather to show you that the vast majority of people around the world who do not believe the SHN do not reject its fraudulent and exaggerated assertions out of hostility toward Jews or an affinity for Neo Nazism, they / we reject the claims of "homicidal gas chambers", inflated casualty numbers etc because the hard evidence does not support them.
    As I asked in my previous Posts:

    - Where are Hitler's written execution orders like the ones so prevalent during Stalin's more murderous regime? That the Nazis communicated telepathically seems highly unlikely.
    - Where are the thousands of enormous mass graves needed for millions of people?(2)
    - Where are the hundreds of homicidal gas chambers needed to gas millions of people?
    - Why did the thousands of former inmates deny knowing anything about homicidal gas chambers?
    - Why do intercepted, secret German radio transmissions make no mention of mass murder and even reveal a desperate effort to save lives from typhus etc. (3)? (By the way, no evidence of a German code-within-a-code exists)
    - Why does Allied Air Reconnaissance show nothing to support "lines to the gas chamber", "billowing chimneys" and other holocaust myths?
    ... and the number of holes in the SHN goes on and on.

    As you can see, none of these unanswered questions has anything with hating Jews or praising Nazism. They are just part of my effort to look at history objectively rather than blindly believing residual Allied propaganda and the flood of holocaust fictions that currently fills the movie theaters and bookstores(4).

    It's both revealing and frightening that of the 20 best selling Jewish literature books, 19 of them are admittedly Holocaust fictions(5)


    (1) "HOLOCAUST CLAIMS CONFERENCE FRAUD LIKELY ‘MUCH HIGHER’ THAN $57 MILLION"
    http://www.jpost.com/Diaspora/Holoc...aud-likely-much-higher-than-57-million-408298

    EXCERPT "Writing to the Claims Conference’s board last week, recently terminated ombudsman Shmuel Hollander asserted that, while reports had said organizational insiders had siphoned off $57 million in German taxpayer funds meant for survivors, “the final sum is in all probability much higher.”CONTINUED


    (2). "THE HOLOCAUST ARCHAEOLOGY HOAX"
    http://www.nafcash.com/

    EXCERPT "It is alleged in orthodox historiography that; during WW II - hundreds upon hundreds of thousands of corpses were buried in numerous “huge mass graves” at Belzec, Chelmno, Ponary, Sobibor and Treblinka II. However, despite all the deceptive allegations to the contrary, the truth is; the largest (in terms of quantity of remains) of the - one hundred - graves / cremation pits that are alleged to have been scientifically proven to currently exist at these sites, in which verified human remains have been tangibly located via bona fide, verifiably honest and conclusively documented archaeology; contained the remains of - ONLY SIX PEOPLE.

    Those who believe they can refute any statement of fact articulated on this web page are invited to accept

    THE HOLOCAUST ARCHAEOLOGY HOAX CHALLENGE

    $100,000.00. REWARD

    For proving - just 1 / 1,000 of 1% - of the criminally fraudulent buried remains allegations" CONTINUED


    (3)“THE HOLOCAUST NARRATIVE”
    https://archive.org/stream/BreakingTheSpell_48/BreakingTheSpell-Kollerstrom_djvu.txt

    EXCERPT “In 1941, British Intelligence analysts cracked the German “Enigma” code. This undermined the German war effort—but also threw new light on day-by-day events in the Nazi concentration camp system. Between January 1942 and January 1943, encrypted radio communications between those camps and the Berlin headquarters were intercepted and decrypted.

    Oddly enough, historians have largely ignored the information furnished in these intercepts relating to “arrivals,” “departures,” recorded deaths and other events at these camps.The only reasonable explanation is that the intercepted data contra-dicts, even refutes, the orthodox “Holocaust” narrative.

    The information does not expose a program of mass murder and racial genocide. Quite the opposite: it reveals that the Germans were determined, desperate even, to reduce the death rate in their work camps, which was caused by catastrophic typhus epidemics.”CONTINUED


    (4) "Could there be anything more twisted than these Holocaust fantasists? How more and more people are making up memoirs about witnessing Nazi crimes"
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...le-making-memoirs-witnessing-Nazi-crimes.html

    EXCERPT "Unfortunately, despite all these examples, publishers are still wilfully selling suspect memoirs based on the Holocaust and the war.

    No doubt there will be more books of this type. With publishers fighting it out to sell the latest tale of World War II derring-do, or Holocaust misery, it seems unlikely this is a genre that will die out.

    Anybody reading these books should stop and ask themselves whether what they hold in their hands is, in fact, true." CONTINUED


    (5) "Why Is Holocaust Fiction Still So Popular?"
    https://www.haaretz.com/jewish/holo...books-continue-to-be-in-high-demand-1.7166421

    EXCERPT "19 of the top 20 best-sellers in Jewish literature and fiction on Amazon are all Holocaust fiction. Why are these stories in such high demand?" CONTINUED
     
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    In other words:

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    They mostly use rubber bullets.
    Many of the IDF are Teenage boys and sometimes make bad decisions but they try to not kill people
    When they do shoot :they usually try to hit the legs
     
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    Why should Hitler behave like Stalin? They did even don't like each other.

    The Nazis used tiles with David's Star on it, to fool the Jews that the Treblinka extermination camp is something good:

     
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    The fact that Hitler and Stalin didn't like each other has nothing to do with the fact that written orders are necessary if someone is determined to execute millions of people in a "systematic & industrial" manner. Too many mistakes are possible with vague & imprecise verbal orders and political speeches are, at best, vague & unreliable.

    In spite of the fact that hundreds of tons of documents have been closely examined by countless scholars & historians for over 70 years, not one Nazi order for mass executions has been found.
    One would think that if millions of people were ordered to be executed at least a few execution orders would have been found but they simply aren't there.

    Yes, people were executed, sporadically, but not nearly on the same scale & with the same level of barbarism as was done by Stalin's regime where people were intentionally starved to death on such a level that cannibalism was rampant in Soviet gulags. Kitchen records in the German run camps indicate that the Germans attempted to feed inmates properly when food was available. Stalin's far greater number of victims were frequently dumped somewhere in Siberia without shelter or food and left to die from exposure & starvation

    The mark on the back of the tiles found at Treblinka has nothing to do with the Star of David(1). It is a Polish manufacturer's mark placed on the back of the tiles and would not have been visible from the front to fool anyone.
    The whole notion that that building was ever a gas chamber turned out to be just another amateurish hoax attempted by minions of the Holocaust Industry - Lobby(1) to deceive the general public and, unfortunately, these deliberate deceptions frequently seem to work.

    Again, refusing to be duped by holocaustian hoaxes has nothing to do with anti Semitism or pro Nazi sentiment. It's simply an attempt to look at that tragic era objectively and with an open mind rather than continuing to blindly believe residual, old Allied propaganda & holocaustian myths.




    (1) "Smithsonian Red-Faced after “Treblinka Star of David Tiles” Shown to be Not Jewish At All"
    http://newobserveronline.com/smithsonian-red-faced-after-treblinka-star-of-david-tiles-shown-to-be-not-jewish-at-all/

    EXCERPT "The Smithsonian Institutes’ TV documentary division has been severely embarrassed with the revelation that its recently-released “Treblinka: Hitler’s Killing Machine” documentary—which claimed to have “proved” the existence of “gas chambers” at Treblinka because of the discovery of “tiles with Stars of David,” is an extremely amateurish hoax.

    But, even worse for Colls, Schute, and the Smithsonian, the symbol which they all claim to be a “Star of David” is nothing of the sort.

    It is in fact a brand mark of the 125-year old Dziewulski i Lange porcelain factory in Poland. That factory still exists, although it was renamed the Opoczno Terracotta Products Factory in 1950 and is today just called Opoczno S.A."CONTINUED
     
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    You have long known why the Nazis were reluctant to document the Holocaust.
    In addition, written orders are only half as interesting if there is written confirmation that these orders have been executed.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Einsatzgruppen_reports

    The company is old and may have a Jewish founder. But the Nazis knew exactly why they were using these tiles.
     
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    I appreciate your huge commitment to fighting these Holocaust Deniers. They seem to be growing everywhere in the USA. I dont know why??
    6 million of us were killed . You are a very morally sound man of great character !!! I look to further discussions with you
     
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    Please give Pitbull around of applause for what he has done.

    And he speaks 3 languages !!!!
     
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    The Nazis were not the only ones to make no mention of what has come to be known as the Holocaust.
    Eisenhower, Churchill and De Gaulle also make no mention either of Nazi "gas chambers," a "genocide" of the Jews, or of "six million" Jewish victims of the war in their enormous & extensive post War books(1).
    If anyone would have stated for the record the existence of "gas chambers" , a "genocide" etc, it would be one of these three men.

    As I stated and documented earlier, British Intelligence officers detected nothing from secret German radio transmissions to indicate a "systematic, industrialized mass murder" going on in Nazi occupied Europe

    Yes, far too many died in what were deplorable conditions especially at the end of the war when everyone was suffering miserably so why is it so difficult to believe Arno Mayer when he admits that far more inmates died of disease and natural causes than were executed in fictitious homicidal gas chambers etc.?

    Re:
    Please clarify. I'm not sure what you mean.


    (1) "The Detail"
    http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v17/v17n2p19_Faurisson.html
    EXCERPT "Eisenhower's Crusade in Europe is a book of 559 pages; the six volumes of Churchill's Second World War total 4,448 pages; and de Gaulle's three-volume Mémoires de guerre is 2,054 pages. In this mass of writing, which altogether totals 7,061 pages (not including the introductory parts), published from 1948 to 1959, one will find no mention either of Nazi "gas chambers," a "genocide" of the Jews, or of "six million" Jewish victims of the war." CONTINUED
     
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    Pales dont want peace: Trump's new Peace plan is very fair ( from the parts I saw). Pales get 50 billion infused along with plenty of land but they are mad. JEWS want peace, they dont.
    Israel will keep 30-40 percent of WB but new land near GAZA will be granted to them to make up the difference. They will build an underground tunnel from WB to GAZA.
    Pales only want terrorism
     
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    Everyone wants peace. But freedom comes first. :)
     
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    A few have managed to escape the concentration camps. They passed their information on to the allies, but they were not believed. The concentration camps were thought to be POW camps and it was hard to imagine that the Germans were mass murdering innocent people.

    You're wrong. The Brits intercepted and decoded the "Höfle Telegram".
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Höfle_Telegram

    The Nazis used these tiles to calm the Jews down (and presumably also to taunt them).

    In some extermination camps, the Jews were even greeted with a playing music band to pretend that nothing bad is happening here.
    http://holocaustmusic.ort.org/places/camps/
     
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    And you live among these people ??? Is this how younger Germans still are or have they changed.
     
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    The Germans are not evil, but gullible. I think the Germans are still easy to incite against other peoples. We have right-wing radicals here who are creating a mood against refugees and Muslims.

    Two days ago was the 75th anniversary of the liberation of the Auschwitz concentration camp. Also German president Frank-Walter Steinmeier was there. He spoke English and Hebrew because some Holocaust survivors become scared if they hear German words.

     
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    Treblinka was the Worst but the GERMANS destroyed it in Poland.
    Have you ever been to Auschwitz camps?? I dont think I could go.. I dont know. It would be hard
     
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    Maybe Treblinka was second worse but it was total extermination of Polish JEWS

    If anyone attacks ISRAEL: the USA will jump in !!! Israel has a powerful Air Force
     
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    Your homeland Poland blocked out Muslim refugees along with Hungary ????
    Do you really want more Muslims in Germany?? Some are very dangerous
     
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    What the innocent civilians in Gaza can sing a song about. :(

     
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    Gaza is run by Hamas: they are murderous gang of terrorist that would show you no mercy !!
    Israel is the only “ light “ in a dark region
     
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    Trumps plan is fair to both sides and gives pales extra land near gaza plus 50 billion and tunnel underground from WB to Gaza and small section outside Jerusalem for capital .
    Israel only keeps 30 percent of WB

    I would say Trump is the best US leader maybe in history
     
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    Pales will never have this chance again !!
    They are in utter poverty and This plan will make them viable
     
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    Firstly, no one I know denies that many innocent people of various religious & ethnic backgrounds were persecuted and placed in work camps or internment camps where some were executed so "Holocaust denier" is a dishonest misnomer for people who reject the fatuous nonsense that comprises the standard holocaust narrative about a genocidal Final Solution, homicidal gas chambers, "Conveyor belts of Death"(1), newly invented "Vaporizers"(2) & countless other bizarre holocaust fictions fabricated by the multi billion dollar Holocaust Industry to dupe gullible individuals.

    Re:
    Secondly, $100,000- says you can't prove a significant fraction of that were killed:


    "THE HOLOCAUST ARCHAEOLOGY HOAX"
    http://www.nafcash.com/

    EXCERPT "It is alleged in orthodox historiography that; during WW II - hundreds upon hundreds of thousands of corpses were buried in numerous “huge mass graves” at Belzec, Chelmno, Ponary, Sobibor and Treblinka II. However, despite all the deceptive allegations to the contrary, the truth is; the largest (in terms of quantity of remains) of the - one hundred - graves / cremation pits that are alleged to have been scientifically proven to currently exist at these sites, in which verified human remains have been tangibly located via bona fide, verifiably honest and conclusively documented archaeology; contained the remains of - ONLY SIX PEOPLE.

    Those who believe they can refute any statement of fact articulated on this web page are invited to accept

    THE HOLOCAUST ARCHAEOLOGY HOAX CHALLENGE

    $100,000.00. REWARD

    For proving - just 1 / 1,000 of 1% - of the criminally fraudulent buried remains allegations" CONTINUED




    (1). "Auschwitz Electrical Conveyor belt of Death"
    https://disjecta.wordpress.com/2018/01/26/auschwitz-electrical-conveyor-belt-of-death/

    EXCERPT "It’s a little known fact that running alongside the scientifically implausible gas chambers at Auschwitz ran the electrified conveyor belts of death. These industrialised slaughter belts, we can assume took the passive cargo directly from the “cattle cars” and electrocuted the hapless victims without struggle then disposed of the evidence in Nazi furnaces. One can only guess at the “special devices” for killing children. Somehow visions of Willy Wonka’s Chocolate/extermination factory spring to mind."CONTINUED


    (2). "Auschwitz: Myths and Facts"
    http://www.ihr.org/leaflets/auschwitz.shtml

    EXCERPT "At the Nuremberg Tribunal, chief US prosecutor Robert Jackson charged that the Germans had used a "newly invented" device to instantaneously "vaporize" 20,000 Jews near Auschwitz "in such a way that there was no trace left of them." [8] No reputable historian now accepts either of these fanciful tales."CONTINUED
     
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    That's because the Germans were not mass murdering innocent people on the "systematic, industrialized" scale that is suggested by the fraudulent, profit driven Holocaust Industry - Lobby. There are not the commensurate number of mass graves, Eisenhower, Churchill and de Gaulle make no mention of a "genocide", intercepted German radio transmissions make nomination of "mass killings etc" and no homicidal gas chambers existed anywhere in the German occupied territories.
    The hard evidence for a mass murder simply isn't there or else there would not be a $100,000- reward still unclaimed for proof of mass graves.(1)
    Why can't anyone from the multi billion dollar Holocaust Industry refute the assertions & claim the reward(1)?
    The answer is because the remains simply aren't there.


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    The Hofle Telegram, like all other secret German radio transmissions makes no mention of "executions", mass murder" etc. It simply shows when and where inmates were transported.
    To suggest that the Germans communicated telepathically or by a code-within-a-code is unsupported by the evidence.
    For example, Himmler was perfectly comfortable ordering other crimes to be committed in writing or via radio transmissions(2) but there is absolutely no evidence that he or any other Nazi official ordered anything resembling a genocide
    Additionally, I have already shown how Wikipedia has a pro Holocaust myth, pro Israel bias(3), (4)

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    The maker's mark that includes the Star of David is on the back of the tiles and would not have been visible to anyone except the tile installer.
    To think that the 125 year old makers mark had anything to do with homicidal gas chambers is to be deceived by another professional holocaust hoax(5).

    There is absolutely no hard evidence to support the myth that the Germans were engaged in mass murder on a "systematic, industrial" scale.
    Even orthodox holocaust historian, Arno Mayer, admits that more inmates died from "natural causes" than were executed.



    (1). "THE HOLOCAUST ARCHAEOLOGY HOAX"
    http://www.nafcash.com/

    EXCERPT "It is alleged in orthodox historiography that; during WW II - hundreds upon hundreds of thousands of corpses were buried in numerous “huge mass graves” at Belzec, Chelmno, Ponary, Sobibor and Treblinka II. However, despite all the deceptive allegations to the contrary, the truth is; the largest (in terms of quantity of remains) of the - one hundred - graves / cremation pits that are alleged to have been scientifically proven to currently exist at these sites, in which verified human remains have been tangibly located via bona fide, verifiably honest and conclusively documented archaeology; contained the remains of - ONLY SIX PEOPLE.

    Those who believe they can refute any statement of fact articulated on this web page are invited to accept

    THE HOLOCAUST ARCHAEOLOGY HOAX CHALLENGE

    $100,000.00. REWARD

    For proving - just 1 / 1,000 of 1% - of the criminally fraudulent buried remains allegations" CONTINUED


    (2). “Another Holocaust Lie: 1.3M Jews Sent to Treblinka, Other Camps, Not Killed, They Were Transferred Elsewhere
    https://www.therussophile.org/anoth...-killed-they-were-transferred-elsewhere.html/

    EXCERPT “Some Jewish historians dismiss these and other statements by Himmler by saying that the Nazis used code words to hide their genocide of European Jewry. This theory does not explain why Himmler used explicit written orders for his other crimes. For example, Heinrich Himmler authorized in writing many illegal human medical experiments and executions in the German concentration camps. It is absurd to think that Himmler hid the genocide of European Jewry behind code words, while his other crimes were clearly stated in writing.

    Since the Allies claimed that Nazi Germany had a program of genocide against European Jewry, numerous documents contradicting the genocide myth were hidden or destroyed by the Allies. However, enough documents exist to disprove Longerich’s assertion that all Jews sent to the Aktion Reinhardt camps were exterminated.” CONTINUED


    (3). "Wikipedia editing courses launched by Zionist groups"
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2010/aug/18/wikipedia-editing-zionist-groups

    EXCERPT "Now two Israeli groups seeking to gain the upper hand in the online debate have launched a course in "Zionist editing" for Wikipedia, the online reference site.

    Yesha Council, representing the Jewish settler movement, and the rightwing Israel Sheli (My I srael) movement, ran their first workshop this week in Jerusalem, teaching participants how to rewrite and revise some of the most hotly disputed pages of the online reference site."CONTINUED


    (4). "Zionist Control of WikiPedia"
    http://www.ascertainthetruth.com/at...ls-the-media/429-zionist-control-of-wikipedia


    (5). "Smithsonian Red-Faced after “Treblinka Star of David Tiles” Shown to be Not Jewish At All"
    http://newobserveronline.com/smithsonian-red-faced-after-treblinka-star-of-david-tiles-shown-to-be-not-jewish-at-all/

    EXCERPT "The Smithsonian Institutes’ TV documentary division has been severely embarrassed with the revelation that its recently-released “Treblinka: Hitler’s Killing Machine” documentary—which claimed to have “proved” the existence of “gas chambers” at Treblinka because of the discovery of “tiles with Stars of David,” is an extremely amateurish hoax.

    But, even worse for Colls, Schute, and the Smithsonian, the symbol which they all claim to be a “Star of David” is nothing of the sort.

    It is in fact a brand mark of the 125-year old Dziewulski i Lange porcelain factory in Poland. That factory still exists, although it was renamed the Opoczno Terracotta Products Factory in 1950 and is today just called Opoczno S.A."CONTINUED
     
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    This is obviously not a challenge for the SHN guys. They know that nobody can trust Holocaust deniers. They would have to sue for the money and then pay the court costs and attorney fees because the HC denier is unable to pay anything.

    If you're right then the archaeologists made a big mistake. How can we find out whether David's star is actually only on the back?

    Those deported to the Operation Reinhard death camps were never seen again. In this case, this number can be considered approximately equal to the number of killed persons. :(
     
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