After mocking Trump for promoting hydroxychloroquine, journalists acknowledge it might treat coronav

You can accept anything you like, including some imaginary "concession" that you've dreamed up. I have no concern about your credibility because you have none from my perspective. You lost that from your response to one of my earlier posts.

That's wonderful of you. The same is true as your imagined "concession" with your belief that you've pointed out some kind of imaginary "errors" that I've posted. And certainly, I hope you never expected a debate with me (meaningful or not) because as I fully noted in Post #133 in this thread, I don't debate.

Thank you and the same to you and your loved ones.

 

And here I thought you wanted to debate (i.e. play a game).

So you're confused? I was trying to have a discussion (which is usually an exchange of opinions) and you posted that you were debating. Which is it?

And you've repeatedly shown that you never understood the point of my post despite that I've repeatedly explained it to you. If I were to debate you, it would be best if you actually understood the subject matter prior to engaging in any debate or you would lose the debate from the door.

And nothing above has any meaning except perhaps to you. It's what's called a non sequitur.

Is that a command or just a hopeful wish? Unfortunately for you that's not going to happen anytime soon. I don't take kindly to being dictated to by anyone, much less an anonymous poster in a mostly anonymous discussion forum. However, it is your prerogative to leave the forum at any time. As the saying goes, "if thine eye offends thee, pluck it out" - New Testament - Matthew 18:9. And I'm an atheist with a Jewish upbringing lol.

Ah there we have a point of agreement. I am also finding that this discussion with you is descending into an exercise in futility, especially since you never understood the point of my post in the first place.

 

Trump right. Left wrong. Again.

 

Establishment toadies are really having to work on their Double Think skills during this crisis.

"Fauci doesn't want people to worry about coronavirus, the danger of which is "just ***minuscule***." But he does want them to take precautions against the "influenza outbreak, which is having its second wave.""
USA TODAY, HEALTH, Top disease official: Risk of coronavirus in USA is 'minuscule'; skip mask and wash hands, By Jayne O'Donnell, 2/17/20. (*** mine)
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...inuscule-skip-mask-and-wash-hands/4787209002/

 

Not sure what you are prattling on about and in truth I have not and will not bother to read it. You are entering stalker territory. Please move on.

 

It's been proven safe for decades and for virtually all other drugs, off-label use is permitted by law. Why is the governor blocking just this one drug? Because he wants more people to die so he can blame Trump. Anybody - yes, ANYBODY - who wants this drug withheld wants more people dead so the numbers might be used against Trump. Better dead than orange.

 

Off-label use of drugs has always been legal.

Funny, Democrats have long fought against right-to-try. They love the deep state and government control even though right-to-try would have saved the lives of thousands of homosexuals dying of HIV. But, then, Democrats support throwing homoxesuals off of roof-tops, burning them, and dropping them in the ocean in cages so helping the sick, even homosexuals, has never been a thing the left has supported. Considering that, it's not surprising that the left loves death and, in fact, promotes the death of 90% of the earth's population.

It is one thing to disagree with the anecdotal evidence. It's one thing to even mock or laugh at the President for suggesting it. Banning a potential help from being used for patients who are dying is plain evil.

 

If you are after meaningful discussion I’d advise posting information that is factual and substantive. I’m intrigued by this virus and possible solutions. I’m disgusted with links like yours that stomp all over science and logic.

I understand you were attempting to inject expert opinion into the discussion. I merely pointed out it was not an expert opinion because it was not based on science. I gave specific reasons why. You keep calling my demonstration of your link’s errors flaws, but you will not back up that assertion. If there are flaws I’ve asked you to point them out specifically. You have only repeated the accusations. That is not debate or meaningful discussion, nor is it the behavior we expect of adults, which you invoked in this thread.

 

There's more hope. The Australians have found that the long used drug Ivermectin reduces viral load.

It is used on people in Africa to prevent river blindness (Onchocerciasis). If I am in danger of going blind like those folks I'm going to take it twice a year just like them. It's also used on farm animals to prevent heartworms, and used on domestic dogs.

If I get the corona and I'm in ICU and the doc says we got an experimental drug here that reduces viral load I'm going to tell the doc to lay it on me, death is death, roll them dice.

 

it has side effects

people need it for other medical conditions

if it does not cure the virus, then people would be harmed by recommending everyone takes it that gets the virus

regardless, there is not enough of the drug to go around, and Trump is not forcing anyone to make it right now and his FDA has not approved it for such use

the people in the Senate are not using it, that shows me they do not know that it's safe yet

the way they believe it works is that it helps the cells absorb more zinc, so maybe just taking a zinc supplement would be something to look at

 

why has Trump's fda not approved it yet

why has Trump not had testing done yet, woudl be so easy to have 100 people in the military with the virus volunteer to take it and 100 not and tell us the results

I am all for letting people take it, but let them volunteer and monitor them, let's find out if less people die from taking it vs not taking it

it's been how long now and Trump has not had the testing done yet?

 

Do you really want to have a cure for the Wuhan virus found?

 

trump's guess might be right

the left mocked Trump because he was pushing it as a cure before science confirmed it, it has potential, maybe it will work, maybe not, time will tell

Trump makes a lot of failed guesses, he may get one right, but I will wait for the science, I will not go based on Trump's guesses

 

yep, don't you?

I do not depend on Trump's guesses though

the Drug looks promising, test it

how come republicans in the senate not taking the drug? don't they trust Trump's guesses?

if Republicans in the Senate knew it was a cure, they woudl be taking it

 

Germany has a potential new vaccine, should we give it to all Americans next week without testing, don't you want a cure?

I get credit for that vaccine as I guessed it may work and said we should all take it first, before the science confirms it (which means I steal the credit from the scientists)

that is what Trump is doing, just guessing a potential cure will be the silver bullet

 

I find it very hard to respond to irrational comments. Take some time and think about your post as it makes no sense to me at all.

 

I see, you can't understand, so you go on the attack as a self-defense mechanism, blame others, got it

 

https://www.newsweek.com/anti-paras...-help-stop-coronavirus-new-study-says-1496083

Ivermectin.

 

Wow! You know little about research

For a start he is administering a medication with known severe side effects to people who may not require it

Second he is, in treating people who may not have the disease, denying that limited resource for those who may need it

Want me to go on.....

 

Hoping like HELL no one decides to drink head lice treatment

 

You mentioned it. You're now responsible if someone tries it without the guidance of a physician.

 

No. Don’t go on until you can offer something besides your opinion. Medical doctors in the US prescribe approved drugs off label at their discretion. It’s common and has no ethical component.

You are correct in one thing. We do know much about the side effects of the drugs. They have been in common use since the late 1940’s. If doctors can’t use them safely at this point, they should not be used at all. The notion we can’t use these drugs off label safely is absurd.

If this drug isn’t safe nobody “needs” it. You have presented a circular argument.

 

Yes they can prescribe off label but usually there is some oversight because EVERY drug has side effects - especially if used inappropriately.

Did he do an ECG prior to prescribing these drugs? It prolongs the QT interval

Did he ensure the patients he was prescribing to were checked to visual disturbances?

https://www.webmd.com/drugs/2/drug-5482/hydroxychloroquine-oral/details

He was prescribing to patients who may or may not have had Covid 19 so increasing a risk of unnecessary and unwanted outcomes

 

Define usually. Who provides this over site?

I don’t know. Do you? Is everyone given these drugs for malaria treatment or prevention given an ECG? Are his patients reporting heart problems or dying of heart failure? If not he is probably taking the necessary precautions.

Do you have evidence, any at all, that he was prescribing this to anyone with contraindications? Do you have any evidence Asian patients are experiencing retinal damage?

This drug is prescribed to people who may or may not be bitten by a female Anopheles mosquitoe infected with Plasmodium parasites. Let’s try and keep this based on reality.

 

In first world countries yes everyone would have and should have an ecg but don’t forget this drug is a mainstay in malarial countries and if we use it indiscriminately where it is useless we may well see a spike in malaria

Again I have no proof either way bit then neither do you

And certainly you cannot recommend a treatment based on such flimsy evidence