Alleged High School Killer Spotted Smiling and Giggling in Jail Cell

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  1. gamewell45

    gamewell45 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I disagree; I think he's insane and in this country we shouldn't be executing those who are insane.
     
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    I think that your brain being a little ****ed up is a natural consequence of killing 15 people for no reason. Regardless of how cold you are, living with having done something so evil that so completely isolates you from humanity has to mess up your sanity. He did this to himself and he deserves it, but that's what I think is happening.
     
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    Sick!
     
  4. Chester_Murphy

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    Uninformed.
     
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    I think back to several of the shooters, they were not sane enough to be concerned about getting the death penalty. They're not calculating on risk vs reward. It's not like they get something from their crime the way a thief does. So no, such killers will not be deterred.
     
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    Yes he does. He should be attended by a professional at his execution.
     
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    Well I am a firm advocate of the death penalty and if given free reign would apply it after review to every murderer and rapist in our prison system. That would lower the crime rate and deficit in one fell swoop.

    But this is Broward County. Mega liberal.. That DA is not going to go for the death penalty. If he does that public defender is going to put that entire County on trial. The school, the Sheriff's, the mental health administration.. All of it... A full discovery of all of Broward Counties failings? His mother recently dying? Dozens of red flags?

    That DA isn't going to risk that. He is going to blame the kids mental state and do the humane thing and offer life.
     
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    I do. And I don't want my tax money wasted on prison Psychologists. In general, as a tax payer I don't want to support the prison-industrial complex. But that is a subject for another thread addressing issues like locking up non-violent drug users etc.
     
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    The humane thing or the easy way out? People never fail to rationalize taking the easy way out.
     
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    After a would be killer watches an electrocution or two on Youtube I think some would be deterred. I was alive back in the era when criminals were executed in the electric chair and during this time period many criminals (after being apprehended) stated that they would have killed this person or that person but did not because of fear of getting "the chair." Don't think this didn't happen. It did.
     
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    What is sick is that people commit horrible capital crimes - are sentenced to death - and are breathing decades later.
     
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    Yep its all the same thing. Prosecutors/DA statement will say something like the above. He will add on that he met with the families and looked at the evidence and it's time to put this past us and heal blah blah then offer either life in prison or mental ward.
     
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    well he is obviously a crazy killer, but the insanity defense was not meant for people like him imo, they were meant for people that are really insane to another level and do not know what they are doing, I did not even think Andrea Yates was crazy to that level though, so I could be wrong
     
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    I disagree, death is the easy way out
     
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    Why would it be wasted? Instead of throwing away the person with the garbage, wouldn't it make sense to rehabilitate the person so he/she can become a productive member of society?
     
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    once a person murders, they should never be released into society again imo
     
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    The only mass murderers ever that I think could have a convincing innocence by insanity argument are Richard Chase and Charles Whitman. Richard Chase was so severely schizophrenic he had no ****ing clue what was going on half of the time. He stumbled around trying to enter homes until he found people that he immediately killed and ate because he thought he had to to stop his blood from dying up. Charles Whitman was unable to suppress his violent urges and wrote a note asking doctors to figure out what happened to him after he died, and it was found that he had a type of brain tumor that can cause extreme irrational aggression.

    Nikolas Cruz is nothing like either of those cases. He was just a miserable person who wanted to take his aggression out in an explosive event
     
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    because some people executed may be innocent, and really, the public doesn't need to see that on public tv, could turn some into martyr's too
     
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    Someone like Cruz will never be rehabilitated.
     
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    Thanks for asking very intelligent questions. A few facts about the case. My brother was involved in a homosexual prostitution baiting scheme in which they would lure homosexual men into a secluded place, rob them, and beat the crap out of them. For the most part, because of the society of that time, no one would report the crime. My brother was the muscle who would do the actually robbery and beating. After the bodies started piling up, they were caught in a police sting. The police offered all three people involved a deal. My brother turned state's evidence first and ratted out the other two who foolishly believed there was honor among thieves. The attorney my brother had moved to sever from the other two and settled quickly, leaving the other two with the murder rap. During the other two perps trial, it was discovered that it was my brother who was swinging the hammer, but he had already been sentenced, so too bad. He could have been arrested for perjury but I think the DA really wasn't too keen on publicly airing the fact that he was swindled, and at the very least, they solved three murders and that looks like justice happened.

    We were told that it isn't real unusual to have the family of a murderous person advocate for the death penalty. After all, doesn't every citizen in a country have the obligation to do what they can to protect others? Don't we all have a social obligation to do something for the safety of the whole? I kind of look at it as everybody in the world should pick up a loaded gun lying in a playground. That seems reasonable enough. Well my brother is that loaded gun. If he didn't kill these four people, he would have killed someone else. He was just that way.

    As for being in prison for almost his entire adult life, I don't think my brother feels it is a bad place. he is taken care of. He always has a place to sleep. He doesn't have to do anything he doesn't want to. There are some people who prefer prison to the outside world. It would be cruel to let those people out of prison.

    As for states which are most lenient to criminals, my brother committed his murders in California and Hawaii. He traveled to those states deliberately to pursue his criminal career. It wasn't a coincidence that the states he murdered in had pretty lax criminal justice systems.
     
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    Apparently the convicts sentenced to death often fail to appreciate their good fortune, other than the occasional (for example) Gary Gilmore.

    Richard Speck who tortured, raped and murdered eight student nurses apparently disagreed with what you say. You may recall he enjoyed prisons and made some movies showing how much he enjoyed prison sex.
     
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    wouldn't that force folks to protest, thereby getting some changes in laws to make sure there is a fair trial? Nothing is working well, now.
     
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    Very interesting. I learned some things. Thanks.

     
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    not after Murder... that is a line there is no coming back from, keep them in maximum security for life
     
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    Giving up where and for whom you work is similar. Giving up where you live, how and for how long is similar.
     

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