Amanda Knox Conviction Overturned by Italy’s Top Court

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  1. Toggle Almendro

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    Yes. There is a (roughly) 500,000 euro cap on the payout for normal compensation for wrongful imprisonment. But Amanda will be able to sue for two separate payouts (each with its own 500,000 euro cap). First she can sue for the single year beyond the three she served for the slander conviction. And then once the slander conviction is overturned she will be able to sue for those first three years.

    In addition to the normal compensation for wrongful imprisonment, she and Raffaele can sue for additional damages based on the criminal conduct of all the corrupt Italian judges.

    And if Italy ultimately refuses to pay compensation equal to the criminal behavior of their corrupt judges, Amanda and Raffaele can appeal to the European Court of Human Rights to order Italy to pay them more.

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    Actually the evidence has been clear from the very beginning that she and Raffaele are innocent.

    The absence of any evidence against them, combined with clear evidence that Guede was the responsible party, makes that more than clear.


    The only time Amanda gave a different version of the facts was during the interrogation when the Italian police hit her in the head until she said what they told her to say.

    The corrupt Italian judges had no suspicion. They knew very well that they were illegally holding innocent people in prison.


    Amanda neither lied nor used cocaine.


    Just think of all the negative Karma towards the Kerchers you guys generated. Your witch-hunt against the innocent caused Guede to get two huge sentence reductions, first from a LIFE sentence to 30 years, and then again to 16 years, and now he will be out of prison in just a few more years.
     
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    She deliberately tried to get an innocent black man killed for a crime he never committed. This even though he had a room full of alibi witnesses who testified as to his innocence. If you looked at the European Court transcripts, they upheld the slander conviction which means the money she was forced to pay to the innocent Patrick Lamumba will never be returned to her.

    She tried to kill an innocent black man which means she could just as readily try to kill an innocent white girl.

    How the hell can you defend someone like that?
     
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    Killed???

    At any rate, involuntary actions are by definition not deliberate.


    Amanda has never been forced to pay him anything, she has never payed him anything, and she never will pay him anything.

    Amanda and Raffaele will, however, both receive very large payments from the Italian taxpayers.

    Also, the European Court of Human Rights is going to force Italy to overturn the slander conviction.


    Involuntary actions do not have intent.

    And whats this about killing? No one tried to kill the former bar owner.


    I strongly believe in doing the right thing.
     
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    you need to do some reading in this case - do not rely on the biased American media, go instead to the European ones
     
  5. Toggle Almendro

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    I already know every detail of the case.


    Except for the Guardian, the media sucks when it comes to this case. And that includes both American and European media.
     
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    I see no proof beyond a reasonable doubt (not even close) that convicts. However Italy's criminal justice system is the focus of many human rights cases.
     
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    The evidence that Guede did the crime alone actually proves that Amanda and Raffaele are innocent.
     
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    as every true conservative always says, a life for a life


    BRING ON THE HANGMAN! :clapping: :clapping: :clapping:
     
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    Outrageous hyperbole which ignores the fact that Knox was coerced into making a false confession by the local authorities, including a prosecutor who was indicted and convicted of abusing his office.

    How ironic, since you're the one who has no clue what the facts of the case are.
     
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    Amanda has been completely absolved by the highest court in Italy.

    And every person of intelligence and integrity who studied the case knows she is innocent.

    You are part of a fringe minority of people who still believe she is guilty, and your numbers will only continue to dwindle over time until you're on par with flat-earthers and young earth creationists.

    So enjoy your monumental fail. You earned it.
     
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    I myself do not know the facts of the case, but what I do know is that Ms. Knox was tried twice, double jeopardy. Which is something that most Western nations do not allow. So it's high time for Italy to reform its corrupt justice system, to join the rest of its Western neighbors in a high standard of law and order.
     
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    When you try to lynch innocent people, Karma steps in and you forfeit your right to punish the guilty.

    Guede would have had a life sentence. He would have been eligible for parole after 26 years, but that parole would never have been granted and he would have spent his entire life in prison.

    But the need to frame Amanda meant that Guede couldn't be charged with breaking and entering. And it meant that it became unclear who stole Meredith's money.

    Because Guede was not convicted of those two charges, his LIFE sentence became a 30 year sentence.

    Then when Amanda and Raffaele were convicted in the first instance, they were given mitigating circumstances, and because of the need to pretend that they were all in it together, those same mitigating circumstances were applied to Guede even though he didn't deserve them.

    That dropped Guede's sentence down to 16 years.

    Now, come 2020-ish, Guede is going to be freed from prison and will be able to live out his life.

    In the future, this case will be seen as a textbook example of what not to do if you want justice for someone who was murdered.
     
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    We still need to have her slander conviction overturned.

    That is being worked on. It'll be a few more years, but her slander conviction will be overturned.

    The European Court of Human Rights just agreed to hear the case:
    http://bigstory.ap.org/article/248c...pean-human-rights-court-hear-amanda-knox-case

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    Italy considers the system of "a first trial, an appeal trial, and then a hearing before Cassation" to be three steps of one single trial. Because of that, double jeopardy wasn't actually violated.

    It would however be considered a violation of the right to a speedy trial to hold people in custody during such a lengthy trial process, so Italian rules require leaving people free until their conviction is confirmed by Cassation.

    Italy violated their own rules by holding Amanda and Raffaele in prison those four years.

    And once Italy ignored their own rules and held them in prison, the right to a speedy trial came back into play. And holding them in prison for four years before bothering to look at the evidence was a grave violation of their right to a speedy trial.
     
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    Italy's courts are a joke, you can't just keep changing verdicts left and right forever.... that is crazy
     
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    Funny how so many people react about this case.

    When it comes to innocent blacks murdered by white cops in the USA, some still insist that the cops are innocent despite all the evidence to the contrary, including videos clearly proving their crimes. In this case, the cops and prosecutors are, somehow, all wrong despite the clear evidence (and upper court upholding) that Knox tried to kill an innocent black man. If she is so willing to kill an innocent black man, how can one so readily dismiss the notion that she would kill anyone else???


    You just can't make this up.
     
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    It is not a crime to fire in self defense when a minority is violently assaulting you.

    If you are referring to that one cop that shot a fleeing black man in the back, he is being prosecuted and I've not heard a single person try to defend him.


    Actually you ARE making it up. There was no such attempt to kill an innocent black man.
     
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    And this some how has something to do with the Knox case, oh wait you're just deflecting.
     
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    The innocent man was threatened with death while he was in prison. Had you bothered to read anything on the subject you would have known as racial problems are far worse in Europe than here.
     
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    I've read more on this one subject than you will read on every subject over your entire life.

    If the former bar owner was threatened with death, how about a cite?
     
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    If you've read all that you claim you have, you would know.
     
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    In other words, it didn't happen.
     
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    It used to be, if you are running from a cop, he has a right to shoot you.
    It should still be the same.
     
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    A Micawber investigation, you come to a conclusion, you announce it in the press to great fanfare and when the evidence doesn't pan out you can't say you were wrong without losing face so you keep plugging away in the hope something will turn up.
     
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