America has No Allies in a War with Iran!

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  1. Dayton3

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    That is a well known myth and conspiracy theory but that's all it is. The Roosevelt Admin. thought that a Japanese attack would fall on U.S. forces in the Philippines first and foremost and not on Hawaii.
     
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    This may be one of those cases where a college education comes in handy. California is up wind from most of the US, especially in the South. Mushrooms in California means the South, from Arizona to Florida are in for a few days of toxic rain. Just enough for a slow painful death. Be careful of what you wish for.
     
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    You started the war in 1953 when you destroyed their democracy and installed a tyrant.

    Anywys Iran won a mayor victory today. Iraq just voted in parliament to expell your troosp.

    All investments you did there since 2003...lost
     
  4. Texas Republican

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    It is time to leave Iraq. We thought they were ready for a 21st century democracy. We were wrong. In that region, only Israel is capable of responsible self government. The Muslim countries are living in the 7th century. They’re animals.

    Maybe someday things will be different.
     
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    In fact, why would the U.S. even go to kill Suleimani? If we put aside the ridiculous mumbling about the attempt to prevent war in this way, the desire to reduce casualties in the Middle East, and to prevent its destabilization, in the dry balance we get a banal settling of accounts.

    Suleimani ruled the main capable force in Iraq. His structures, the so-called Shiite militia, which were essentially paramilitary structures well trained, equipped, and supported by Iran, opposed American aggressive policies in the region as a whole. To a large extent in Syria, partly in Libya.

    The Shiite militia under Suleimani's command was bullying terrorists in Iraq and the Lebanon. And it was very traumatic for Israel, because it has long been known that they operate in the region by the hands of the so-called ISIS, the structures that were created, maintained and used to destroy legitimate regimes, primarily the Syrian regime.

    The main force that opposed the Israel terrorist networks really, in addition to Russia and Syraia, were the so-called Shiite militia units, which most effectively among the Islamic militarized structures opposed Israel interests.

    Suleimani was the curator of this Shiite network. It was on him that their effectiveness, coordination, in general, of all Shiite forces in the region, not excluding the Lebanese Hezbollah was kept. All together - Syria, Iraq, Lebanon - formed the most powerful Shiite pole, an extensive Shiite network, effectively operating under the coordination of Iran.

    Suleimani was not only a military official, formally acting as head of the General Staff, but also the actual curator of Iranian foreign policy relations, as well as intelligence. That is all that at all levels - from intelligence and military to diplomatic - opposed American expansion. By removing it, a serious obstacle to the spread of American interests in the region was removed - insidiously and lawlessly.

    In principle, Iran was thus given the moral authority to implement and enforce the counter-elimination of, for example, the US Secretary of Defense. This is who, indeed, is a direct threat to millions of people, an unsurpassed source of war in the Middle East. Just like that, just to kill on the same grounds as it prevents the Shiites, the Middle East in general, from returning to a state of peace and rebalancing security.

    U.S. Secretary of Defense: To tamper with, implement, and carry out an assassination attempt, to blow up his car, plane, or any other type of elimination, an accidental shooting. Purely American. Or maybe it'll be the head of the CIA? Or the Secretary of State? The choice of those responsible for millions of victims is quite large.

    The murder of Kasem Suleimani would certainly cause Iran tactical problems. There is a danger that the liberal wing, which is quite strong in a theocratic, conservative traditionalist Iran, will use the situation for another destabilization. And then the whole operation to eliminate Suleimani takes on a certain integrity. Then it becomes clear why the Americans went for such outright, blatant lawlessness, finally sacrificing their reputation.

    In the meantime, the world stands still waiting for an answer. After all, such a crime can not be without punishment, because tomorrow crazy Trump will start to kill everyone indiscriminately, and sooner or later, be sure to come to you. To kill...
    Imbecile Trump must be removed!
     
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    The guy nudged the world in WWIII
     
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    Must hurt alot to lose this against Iran, doesnt it?

    First Germany, France dont follow you. Even block their airspace. Now Iraq kicks you out.

    Look, i see no consequence for Iran yet but lots of consenquence for USA.
     
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    Sincerely, who takes EU seriously?
    USA, Russia, China, Turkey, India are main players.
    Not insane EU.
    Germany, France, LOL
     
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    The Middle East sucks. We want nothing to do with it, except make sure they don't establish terrorist bases to strike the West. Yes, the Americans are there to protect weak and insignificant Germany.
     
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    I would like to think so but there is so much information leading up to that attack that it's hard to just accept the official story. Right up there with the Kennedy assignation.
     
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    You invested trillions into Iraq that you lose now. Iran did strike a diplomatic victory.

    "weak insignificant Germany" btw is 2nd strongest nation in the west.
     
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    A distant second.
     
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    Congrats, you win the silver medal for finishing several miles behind us.
     
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    The coup in 1953 was justified. Iran seized Western property without proper compensation.

    Nations that don't play fair get what they deserve.
     
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    If it is your sincere belief that the removal of Saddam Hussein and the subsequent rebuilding effort was an economic "investment", then you are clearly confused. If that is legitimately your belief, it is hard to take any subsequent opinions that you have on the matter seriously because it is blatantly obvious that you do not have even a cursory grasp of the subject matter.
     
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    You now lost trillions in investments. Plus it is the next step of your downfall. Since 2003 you collect defeat after defeat. You now get expelled from the region and China will fill the void.
     
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    I believe what matters is that USA is removed out of the region and thats an important step now.
     
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    We dont have a continent at hand.

    That said, you stand completly alone and it shows how deep you have fallen. Your influence that you had in 80th and 90th mostly evaporated. And i believe thats good for the world.
     
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    So your nonsensically incorrect belief is not "what matters"?...I see.

    Removed out of the region?....LOL.....You do know this is also not correct do you not?

    As I said prior, you make it difficult to take you seriously.
     
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    Because they stand by the USA is that they don't stand by this attack.

    Attacking countries that pose no threat is the most detestable thing to do. By opposing this attack, NATO nations protect America.

    NATO is doing more to protect the American People than Trump is.
     
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    This attack was both right and justified. Countries are not siding with the US because they are afraid it would ignite their refugee population. Europe (NATO) countries have become Islamic tinderboxes. When it 'splodes NATO will be looking to the US for help.
     
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    Trump just revealed to the enemy what we are going to do.

    Politico reports, "President Donald Trump on Saturday warned Iran that the U.S. has identified dozens of sites to be hit "very fast and very hard" if it retaliates for the killing of military leader Qassem Soleimani.

    “Iran is talking very boldly about targeting certain USA assets as revenge for our ridding the world of their terrorist leader,” Trump tweeted. “Let this serve as a WARNING that if Iran strikes any Americans, or American assets, we have ... targeted 52 Iranian sites (representing the 52 American hostages taken by Iran many years ago), some at a very high level & important to Iran & the Iranian culture, and those targets, and Iran itself, WILL BE HIT VERY FAST AND VERY HARD. The USA wants no more threats!'"

    This is unbelievable. Is Trump that starved for attention?

    I honestly do not understand what his supporters see in him. What is interesting is that they won't tell us. His supporters prefer not talking about him. They prefer talking about Obama, Clinton, Benghazi, even sluts; anything but Trump.
     
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    It might ignite their refugee population. But is that they only danger you can think of? Really?

    No wonder! And that has been the problem with this whole administration. Trump's absolute lack of any sort of objective perspective. Complete inability to view the consequences of their actions beyond... what's right in front of their eyes right now. Horse blinders are not the best tools to analyze policy.
     
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    Trump has proven himself to be the most uneducated President in our history.

    "Iranian culture" sites? Even Hitler wouldn't bomb Paris so as not to destroy... not "French culture" sites, but
    "Humanity's culture" sites. This ignorant baboon is actually targeting them.
     
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    Now that is the very definition of Ironic. What you know about Iran and the middleast could be written in large print on a small postage stamp with room left over
     
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