America suffered another 9-11 today: 3157 dead!

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  1. garyd

    garyd Well-Known Member

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    But that's exactly what Trump did...
     
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    Curious Always Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Uh, no.

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/long-a...eden-ends-its-pandemic-experiment-11607261658

    Sweden’s Covid-19 experiment is over.

    After a late autumn surge in infections led to rising hospitalizations and deaths, the government has abandoned its attempt—unique among Western nations—to combat the pandemic through voluntary measures.
     
  3. Turin

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    Trump did anything but. States were left to figure out how to obtain PPP on their own. Often times bidding against each other, and then at the last second having the fed government come in and sweep it up anyways, and having to go back to square 1.

    Trump made fun of masks and people who wore them.

    Trump made fun of social distancing ( to the tune of his entire administration getting infected, and the death of a cabinet member )

    Trump REFUSED to look at relief until after the election. And now, since he lost, he has no interest in it again. Basically, Trump DOES NOT CARE about Covid. He only wants it to go away because it cost him the election.


    If Trump had handled Covid well, and maybe not made fun of McCain, he almost certainly would have won re-election.
     
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    (original)late Banned

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    Nope.

    They had no intention of doing that again with an even larger second wave.
     
  5. garyd

    garyd Well-Known Member

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    Utter nonsense. Trump scrambled even holding up a shipment off PPE that was being shipped over seas for use here. Working with private sector companies to get more ventilators produced. You really need to watch some time. The alphabet soup bunch us feeding you a load of crap.
     
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    Every single thing I listed is true and verifiable.
     
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    14 days to flatten the curve. Now you are a Nazi if you don't wear a mask.
     
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    No. Not a Nazi. Just an inconsiderate jerk who doesn't give a crap about anyone but themselves.
     
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    So well indoctrinated with the dogma! :applause:
     
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    No it isn't. You can always get one liar to swear to what another said
     
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    So in the most fascist of democrat run states that had the most jackboot reaction to the virus, why did they have a second spike?
     
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    The science says masks slow the spread u fortunately it does not say to what degree. And that comes with a caveat, namely when properly used. Apparently in hospitals where they are used religiously, and classes on how to use them are required and yet health care workers still get it.
     
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    What should he have done differently?
     
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    Fascism and Democracy are the two opposites in the field of the political spectrum. If you insist on spouting political opinions its useful in getting them right occasionally.
     
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    We are a constitutional republic. Democrat fascists dictating law bypassing the legislature is counter to being a constitutional republic.
     
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    I'm afraid the health of Americans is judged on profit rather than need. They won't allow any medical supplies into the country thus forcing americans to pay for the most expensive supplies world wide.So you won't be getting a vaccine until they have one of their own, they would rather see thousands die than drop their hold on the market.
     
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    The political Spectrum has nothing to do with any nation, their free to call themselves what they like and do. If you have a dictionary look up Fascism and Democracy to find their true meaning. When you're in a hole its advisable to stop digging.
     
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    Thats not a simple answer.

    1.) People didnt follow requests
    2.) Government didnt provide enough stimulus to allow action 1.

    In a nut shell.
     
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    We are not a democracy in the sense of the definition.
     
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    Great, you are absolutely right, you have swapped politics for a corporate free for all.
     
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    Only 2 countries had a Covid19 Summer Wave: USA and Peru

    Thus, what the rest of the world has done differently?

    According to my research;

    1. They re-opened their economies at a very low positivity rate, for example; Canada

    Response from the below-average intelligent people; "Yeah, but Canada's daily cases 7-day average increased from 300 to 6,300, thus, an increase of 2,000%......WHEREAS in the U.S., and during the same time period, our daily cases 7-day average increased from 35,000 to 192,500, thus, an increase of 450%. In other words, we're doing much better than Canada.

    fmw, do you agree with said response?
     
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    He did. In blue run states the reaction to the virus was entirey fascist, top down authoritarian. And it utterly failed to prevent anything. Yet many seem to want to repeat the failed experiment jack booted authoritarianism.
     
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    I don't know and I don't care. What I know beyond a doubt is that government forcing businesses to close should never have become a way to fight the virus. We should do the best we can without doing that. It is authoritarian and un-American. Whether or not it is effective isn't an issue. Period.

    Having said that I think it would be fine for government to warn people about patronizing businesses that could be a source of spread. Let people make a choice. If some businesses are forced to close for lack of customers then, at least, you can blame the virus for it and not the government. As it is government bears all the fault. I never should have happened.
     
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    I'm not surprised you don't have an answer. None of that makes sense to me. The role of federal government should not be to join the authoritarian parade of the states. Its role should be to help the states and Trump has done that in spades. Trump has handled the virus very well. The governors and mayors, on the other hand have made a mess of it. You can thank Trump for the vaccines that are now becoming available in record time.

    I have yet to get a reasonable answer to that question.
     

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