American Cancer Society: Breast cancer NOT LINKED to abortion

Well, the thing is, I don't try and qualify at what point a baby is a baby, so times throughout gestation don't concern me on this issue. I just can't stand when people actually try and justify killing a baby using medical terms that were never meant to define what is or is not life.

And I especially don't like it when people I know, know the facts but for whatever reason want to sluff on the facts to try and keep their arguments somewhat legit.

I don't call babies "zefs." Human beings deserve more respect and dignity then that.

 

http://www.merckmanuals.com/home/sec22/ch254/ch254b.html?qt=Pregnancy &alt=sh

Try again sweety! End of 8th week after fertilization, which is defined as week 10 of pregnancy.

 

If you know exactly when fertilization occurs. Who does?

 

It's OK, you were wrong, just admit it and move on.

It can be "estimated". Why do you think doctors ask you when your last period was? It's b/c a normal ovulation is 14 days after menstration.

 

Just admit the "fetal stage" is defined differently by different sources.

 

I don't call "babies" "zefs" either. That term is for zygotes, embryoes, and fetuses. It's kind of important to know what you are talking about, and using the term "baby" when you really mean a "zygote" is misleading.

 

Talking about zygotes in an abortion discussion is senseless, as noone ever even knows she is pregnant until her child in utero has grown well beyond that stage of development.

 

Then you can tell your cohorts to stop saying that life begins at conception. And don't forget that some of them claim hormonal contraception is an abortifacient.

 

Sometimes the abortion discussion gets into emergency birth control or even regular hormonal birth control and whether those cause an abortion. So, yes, zygotes are sometimes discussed in abortion threads.

 

Yeah, I didn't say that they aren't, I only said it is irrelevant!

 

My point IS the term zygote is NOT irrelevant when discussing whether hormonal birth control causes abortion by altering the lining of the uterus.

 

Well now, you are admitting that your labeling a zygote a human being is senseless. Thank you for that refreshing bit of honesty. It may just mark a new page in your approach to the issue.

 

Well your reading comprehension failed you again. You and your other log in name we see so often here need to stick to relevant topics in the future.

 

'Zef'...the abortionist's shorthand term for an unborn baby in an attempt to dehumanize a unique human life.

'Zef' is NOT a REAL MEDICAL term...medical professionals would either use the layman's terms "unborn baby', or if being technical, would use the gestational age appropriate term, zygote, embryo, or fetus.

 

How so? Do you think a zygote, embryo, and fetus are not human?

ZEF is shorthand for real medical terms. If you know what is meant by it, why object?

 

Conception is defined to include implantation in some dictionaries.

Nevertheless, you cannot abort before impantation because pregnancy doesn't occur until then, so these pissing matches over such minutia are fun, but ultimately irrelevant.

 

Really? Is that because another on of your posts turned to crap?

WTF are you babbling about? In your desperation now you are seeing things, hearing voices or just making $hit up?

 

Tell that to your zealous cohorts who believe that contraception preventing implantation is an abortifacient.

 

I have no cohorts, so you seem to be impaired this morning

 

Many studies come up with conclusions which just don't hold up in the long run. Just as drugs are a miracle one day, and are pulled off the market the next, many studies are flawed.
That doesn't necessarily mean that we now have to link to pro lifers, which is just as flawed in its conception as the original study.
All it shows is that people believe what they want to believe, whether they are pro choice or pro life.
Eat cupcakes or don't.
Eat eggs or don't.
Drink wine or don't.
Have an abortion or don't.
In the end, we all have to decide for ourselves, and deal with the consequences as they arise.

 

That's not surprising.

 

Oh be nice and have some brownies you two.

 

It is the MEDICAL TEXtBOOKS that say life begins at conception.

"Human development begins after the union of male and female gametes or germ cells during a process known as fertilization (conception).
"Fertilization is a sequence of events that begins with the contact of a sperm (spermatozoon) with a secondary oocyte (ovum) and ends with the fusion of their pronuclei (the haploid nuclei of the sperm and ovum) and the mingling of their chromosomes to form a new cell. This fertilized ovum, known as a zygote, is a large diploid cell that is the beginning, or primordium, of a human being."[Moore, Keith L. Essentials of Human Embryology. Toronto: B.C. Decker Inc, 1988, p.2]

So I guess our cohorts are the medical doctors and their professors of embryology.

 

The part that is not surprising is you being inebriated.

 

You've posting nothing that says "life" begins at conception. "Human development begins" is not the same as "life begins." Life is a continuum, it has no beginning.