Americans live in a constant state of fear.

No one would mind if an officer defended himself if that were happening. That is not what is happening. I had a young relative shot in the leg at a road side stop which was probably illegal as well, then tracked down until the kid run his pickup in a ditch, then approached by two officers that shot him over 26 times more. They had to stop and reload!! He had no weapon, he was in fear of his life and trying to reach his fathers home where he lived. That is what happened.

Here are some more actual videos of what really happens. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_JMZqQ9-mhE

 

You are making zero sense.

 

And how many conservatives yelled when Bush went on a 4.8 trillion dollar spending spree in 8 years?? Now compare that with how many leftist yelled when Obama went on a 7 trillion in 5 years spending spree. hummmmm, It's say your a little off base there, Ban.

 

If he hadn't ran in the first place I'll bet money he would still be alive, Ban. You see, I was a reserve officer for 3 years and have 3 son-in-laws that are officers. I know what goes on out there. Have you ever went for ride along's with your city or county officers?? Try it sometime and walk a few miles in their shoes, then come back and talk to me about police shootings. If a person fights back or runs when they are stopped they are going to get hurt, end of story.

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Since you have no idea just what the 2nd Amendment initials, your the no not making any sense, Johnny me lad.

 

So forget the 4.8T you didn't say anything about.

 

Yes, i have done ride alongs and never seen an officer shoot a teenager in the leg at a rest stop, then pursue him and pump another two clips into the boy, stopping to reload. Can't say I saw that happen, BUT these (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)s did!!! And shut your face about the 2nd, the kid didn't have a gun, didn't own a gun. The gunned him down in cold blood, and court with its evidence and witnesses decided against two shooters of that crime~the cops. Don't try to tell me about what a cop is capable of, they are sticking their arms up womens vaginas at road side stops. No one is saying all cops are bad, at least I am not, but don't give me any BS about how righteous the bastoids among you are.

 

Most people everywhere live in some kind of chronic state of fear. Doesn't really matter what country. They're just paranoid about different things.

 

Of course that's what you would like to think but the majority of conservatives yelled long and load at Bush, me included. And I will continue to yell long and load about Obama.

 

Mister, if a cop told me to put my hands up, they would be up. If a cop shot me in the leg I'd be on the ground with my hands out in front of me, I would NOT run. After I was booked and it was proven I did nothing wrong the law suits would begin.

If the cops were in the wrong then they were prosecuted, if not then they walked. And Mister, only on this would you tell me to shut my mouth more than once.

I had a nephew shot and killed by a cop 4 years ago. Of course there's more to it than just that. My nephew stood 6'1" tall and weighted over 200 pounds and was as strong as a bull and had a few years training in martial arts. He was winning the fight with the cop and tried to get the cops gun out, the cop shot once and my nephew was dead. The cop was in the right but still has to live with it the rest of his life. Right or wrong , it doesn't bring our loved ones back. The only thing we need to look for is justice done in both cases.

Again, what you don't understand, as far as I'm concerned, if we have a bad cop, Judge, District attorney, congressman, Senator, or President that breaks the law they should spend twice to three times what the average criminal would spend because they were elected or appointed with the Public's trust.

Hey, Ban, I said I was a reserve police officer, as in had been, you know, like 42 years ago!!! But my son-in-laws are still officers, one a detective in California, another an officer for the state here in Washington. The last was a deputy sheriff until injured and since has became a parole officer. Now, look at your trade and tell me they are all decent people. Come on, let's hear it. You have skunks in every trade. I find more of them in the cities than on the Sheriff's department. In this state the Sheriff's department investigates crimes and the State Patrol mainly does traffic. I find more skunks in the Sheriff's department than the State Patrol. These are only insights I have had after working with them on the city streets and highways for over 32 years. I'm not saying they are all angels, but devil or angel they give a command and I will obey it. That simple, the law suits can come later.

 

I really don't want to debate this, it is sickening in a way. I don't blame this kid for running, but under different circumstances, like I watch on TV where people are pulled over and then run, I would say blow their butt off the road before they kill that innocent family in the next intersection. Police are to protect and serve us, not the criminal. In nam we had a handy M79 grenade launcher, I called a blooper gun. Anyway it fired an assortment of rounds, one of which was a grenade projectile. They are a small weapon, one an officer can fire out a side window. I sent two letter to the state about using those to save innocent citizens lives. One round into the trunk and the chase is over. Why have police risking their lives in these high speed chases. I have had two guys try to run me over. lol



A 1998 study by the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration indicated that police pursuits killed 314 people that year: 2 police officers, 198 fleeing suspects, and 114 innocent bystanders. See also, http://www-nrd.nhtsa.dot.gov/cats/index.aspx. See also, National Center for Statistics and Analysis, “Fatalities and Motor Vehicle Traffic Crashes Involving Police in Pursuit” (2006).

From 1994 – 1998, 1 in 100 pursuits ended fatally, and innocent bystanders comprise 42% of total pursuit related injuries and deaths.

See, John Hill, “High Speed Police Pursuits: Dangers, Dynamics, and Risk Reduction,” 71 FBI Law Enforcement Bulletin 14 (2002), available at http://www.fbi.gov/publicatons/leb/2002/july2002/july02leb.htm. See also, pursuitwatch.org, http://www.pursuitwatch.org/news.htm;

and Anna M. Krstulic, “America’s Most Shocking Standard: When Innocent Parties Are Injured or Killed in High-Speed Pursuits, What Police Conduct Sufficiently “Shocks the Conscience” to Allow Recovery?” 47 Washburn Law Journal, 785 (200.

A grenade into a few trunks as an example would end this BS.

 

More nonsense. (Now, I remember why you're on 'ignore'.)

 

Great, so the US has approximately 10 times the population of Canada and how many major cities, airports, public buildings, slums, etc. And compare the number of blacks, and/or hispanics between CA and the USa. Then throw in the deranged white guys in the US. And just not to be racist, we can leave out the stats for Montreal.

I've lived as an adult in Houston for 25 years then another ten in Dallas. Never - not once - encountered a crime, but then Texans aren't shy about showing their guns.

Make sure you have a grip on your own life before judging the lives of others.

And you can go ahead and deem me a lost cause as I'm not really interested in a reply and probably won't return to this thread.

 

What is your point exactly? Gun manufacturers love the fact that Americans are afraid of their own shadow.

 

more like a constant state of paranoia...does it even matter anymore? evrytime a school shooting takes place, we get the same reactions! government wants stricter gun laws, then the parents whose kids where just killed change their tune and go 'stay away from our here guns!' i dont think these shootings are gonna be resolved...

 

And I love guns, so what's your point??? I also love history and if I had my way I would own the small arms the U.S. and the nation they were fighting against from the Revolution on, do you have a problem with that??

 

I fear the government. The actions of the IRS, EPA, and NSA justify those fears.

 

That's nonsense and you know it -- false equivalency. It DOES matter what country. It also matters what that fear is about. There's a big difference between a woman fearing she might get mud on her clothes and another woman feeling she might just get raped and killed going outside that night. For example, an Afghan is far more likely to fear for their life going outside of their home than the average American is: http://www.sfgate.com/opinion/chopra/article/The-Fear-Factor-How-Scared-Are-People-4510398.php

I don't know about you, but if I go out late at night, I've never genuinely expected to die. Someone living in a third-world nation with a non-existent government probably can't say that.

 

Blah blah blah....

 

That's why instead of relying upon criminal statistics on arrests or convictions, they use surveys of victims.
http://www.unicri.it/services/library_documentation/publications/icvs/

 

So you have a backround check or a waiting period. Big whoop. The people are on medications proven to cause suicide, and they have easy access to guns (they already bought) or a family member might have bought.

America is overly violent. Thats why I disagreed with him. Its ingrained in your mentality. How old were you when the public schools taught you about "fight or flight"? 10 or 15? It was as if the behaviorists were teaching you to fight. So now we have guts expolding in your face 3-D war, first person shooter games in everyones living room, because the Pentagon contracted with Electronic Arts to get their pound of flesh and military recruits. So then enter the Libertarians/GOP bankrolled by the NRA/gun lobby to gin up the fear, paranoia of the government thru Alex Jones or Mike Savage or Levin, gin up the hate, along with Hollyweird films and TV or endless murder crime shows for whites or gang wars for the blacks to market handguns, throw in some booze and pills and poof! INSTANT SOCIETAL MELTDOWN.

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Absolutely. And wasting it all on one of the most fruitless endevours of mankind.

War.

 

First, if you don't remember then you haven't been around very long.

1968-- The Democrats made a law that we had to sign for ammunition when we bought it. This went on for a few years and did absolutely no good what so ever except raise the price of the product.

All the silly gun bans. Oh, wow, he just bought an AK-47 that is a semi automatic and shoots at exactly the same rate as a Remington 742. (Yes, California as well as some other states still have the silly ban.)

Your goofy Liberal Dianne Feinstein along with some other goofy libs tried to have any gun TESTED by the military banned. Hey, O, that means all of them because the military tests every firearm made.

Your silly President is even trying to get M1-Garands put on the illegal list. The Federal Government has only been selling them to the general public for almost 60 years.

The Dems have even tried to get any weapon that can have a scope fitted to it illegal. Hey, O, that's every weapon made. I have scopes on everything from handguns to .22s, to large bore hunting rifles.

Until 1934 a person could walk into a gun store and buy a full automatic weapon. Then the Dems in their bursts of brilliance using the St. Valentine's Day Slaughter as an excuse banned the majority of honest citizens from owning them and for the most part only criminals had them.

Also in the National Firearms Act they ban people that had served their time in prison from owning weapons. Before that, if you served your time ALL your Constitutional Rights were reinstated.

So don't sit there and tell me we haven't lost gun rights and that Democrats haven't been trying to take our guns for the last 35 years because I know better. I have lived through it and fought it and will continue to do so and when some know nothing like you tries to tell us other wise I WILL jump on you with both feet.

 

And isn't it funny that I have a book with all the majority events in history in it and the majority of the pages are filled ............ WAR!!!! Show me a period in history with out it!! At any given time on this earth right now you will find that there are at lest 10 wars being fought. And as far as hitting the Moslim terrirsts where it hurts, that has been over do for 30 years.

 

Originally Posted by Monster Zero"""America is overly violent. Thats why I disagreed with him. Its ingrained in your mentality. How old were you when the public schools taught you about "fight or flight"? 10 or 15? It was as if the behaviorists were teaching you to fight. So now we have guts expolding in your face 3-D war, first person shooter games in everyones living room, because the Pentagon contracted with Electronic Arts to get their pound of flesh and military recruits. So then enter the Libertarians/GOP bankrolled by the NRA/gun lobby to gin up the fear, paranoia of the government thru Alex Jones or Mike Savage or Levin, gin up the hate, along with Hollyweird films and TV or endless murder crime shows for whites or gang wars for the blacks to market handguns, throw in some booze and pills and poof! INSTANT SOCIETAL MELTDOWN.""


Humm, fight or flight?? Funny, O, I never learned to run. But we saw England do that in 1938 didn't we (Neville Chamberlain). "PEACE IN OUR TIME"!!! Oh, yes!!! And The Netherlands capitulated to Hitler 1 day after Germany bombed Rotterdam. Boy, now THAT'S flight isn't it. Did a whole lot of good, right? Do I need to go through all of Europe for you??? I have been around over 67 years and will still fight if per evoked. 8 years of boxing a few years of Karate, over 60 years of handling firearms, a stint in the armed forces of this nation have left me more than able to handle most situations. As i said, I don't believe in running, and never learned to run because someone else wanted to enforce their will upon me. And I teach my 14 grandsons the same thing.