America's sexual deviation & decadence over the line

I disagree that is is a "sexual subject." Gender is simply gender. But, again, if you don't like the subject matter of the movie - don't see it. And if you are feeling especially put off, write a letter to Disney.

 

I'm not trying to answer any questions. I'm saying to leave the kids alone with these crazy "experiments" that turn them into neither boy nor girl but "things" that have to take hormones and have all kinds of health issues for the rest of their lives. It's sick. Really sick and demented.

 

Then don't take your children to the movie.

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Then don't address a direct question.

 

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Of all the things to stroke out over, a gay Disney cartoon fish.
I'll pass.

 

I disagree that teaching children variations of people exist. Cartoon characters date, kiss, hold hands - I don't not agree with them being exposed to overtly sexual themes. Republicans do not want to acknowledge gay people exist in tv shows, movies, in educational settings, cartoons, in advertisement because they know the more people see homosexuals as regular people the less their propaganda will be effective.

 

Because it's all about an obsession with genitals. How's that for an answer?

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I think our country is going to the dogs, seriously. This country is going insane. Just read about all the weirdos. YES some things are best left behind closed doors. Nobody wants to know that you are a man who likes to wear dresses. Nobody wants to know that you like to pretend you're a baby and have someone wipe your arse for you.

 

lesbian cartoon fish? what the heck

my three year olds favorite movie is Predator. what in the world are you people letting your kids watch these days.

 

Yes, let's "think about the children", the battle cry of the desperate.

 

Now you're talking about biology.

Or... another way to look at it? Much ado about nothing. Mind your own business and don't worry about what your neighbor is up to as long as he's not building bombs in his basement.

 

Let kids be kids. There is absolutely no reason at all why they need to be bombarded with this kind of stuff.

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Maybe I could if we didn't have all the weirdos making "statements" about their sexuality all the time. Tell THEM to keep it to themselves and then nobody will know.

 

Sounds like people are STARVED for attention, is what it sounds like to me. Look at me, look at me, I'm a homosexual. Look at me, look at me, I'm a transvestite. WTF??? I don't go around going look at me, I'm a heterosexual. Yay! Heterosexual pride. Just shut up about it and do what you wanna do in the privacy of your own home and behave like a decent human being out in the public.

 

I think PART of the problem is that people are extremely selfish nowadays. Instead of trying to make themselves better PEOPLE or helping out in their communities to make themselves feel good about themselves, they are all about me, me, me and EFF everyone else.

 

Nobody is forcing you to take your kids to this movie.

One of the "dangers" of living in a free society is that somebody may offend you some day. My advice? Look the other way.

 

This country is going to (*)(*)(*)(*). Face the facts. Your ideology is ruining the country and making us into a weirdo freak show.

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Keep your weird fetishes to yourself and IN the closet. Behave like a civil human being when you are out in the public.

 

No, we do not need the manufactured stress. The solution is simple: LGBTs should live their lives and leave everyone else alone, and they will be left alone. They have educated the nation, everyone understands. Now go home and live your life and stop bothering people.

 

While I am usually a PRO equal rights person, and have argued for the equal rights of LGBTs right here on this forum and others, I am also getting sick and tired of them trying to push this onto children. Enough is enough!

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Remember when little boys wanted to grow up to be astronauts or doctors. No more. Now we have adults wanting to push them into being girls when they grow up. Insanity. Pure insanity.

 

You clearly dont understand gay culture

 

Did you know that the men who pioneered research into the "transgender" theory actually WERE pedophiles? Mr. Kinsey and a doctor named Dr. Money. Go ahead and google them and see for yourself people!

 

Finally, Money created the now-common term gender role which he differentiated from the concept of the more traditional terminology sex role. This grew out of his studies of hermaphrodites. According to Money, the genitalia and erotic sexual roles were now, by his definition, to be included under the more general term "gender role" including all the non-genital and non-erotic activities that are defined by the conventions of society to apply to males or to females.
In his studies of hermaphrodites, Money found that there are six variables that define sex. While among the average person all six would line up unequivocally as either all "male" or "female", in hermaphrodites any one or more than one of these could be inconsistent with the others, leading to various kinds of anomalies. In his seminal 1955 paper he defined these factors as:[12]
assigned sex and sex of rearing
external genital morphology
internal reproductive structures
hormonal and secondary sex characteristics
gonadal sex
chromosomal sex
and added,
"Patients showing various combinations and permutations of these six sexual variables may be appraised with respect to a seventh variable:
7. Gender role and orientation as male or female, established while growing up."[12]
He then defined gender role as
"all those things that a person says or does to disclose himself or herself as having the status of boy or man, girl or woman, respectively. It includes, but is not restricted to sexuality in the sense of eroticism. Gender role is appraised in relation to the following: general mannerisms, deportment and demeanor; play preferences and recreational interests; spontaneous topics of talk in unprompted conversation and casual comment; content of dreams, daydreams and fantasies; replies to oblique inquiries and projective tests; evidence of erotic practices, and, finally, the person's own replies to direct inquiry."[12]
Money made the concept of gender a broader, more inclusive concept than one of masculine/feminine. For him, gender included not only one's status as a man or a woman, but was also a matter of personal recognition, social assignment, or legal determination; not only on the basis of one's genitalia but also on the basis of somatic and behavioral criteria that go beyond genital differences.
In 1972, Money presented his theories in Man & Woman, Boy & Girl, a college-level, mainstream textbook. The book featured David Reimer (see below) as an example of gender reassignment.

During his professional life, Money was respected as an expert on sexual behavior, especially for allegedly demonstrating that gender was learned rather than innate. Many years later, however, it was revealed that his most famous case was fundamentally flawed. The subject was the sex reassignment of David Reimer (Born as Bruce Reimer), in what later became known as the "John/Joan" case.[13]
In 1966, a botched circumcision left eight-month-old David Reimer without a penis. Money persuaded the baby's parents that sex reassignment surgery would be in Reimer's best interest. At the age of 22 months, Bruce underwent an orchidectomy, in which his testicles were surgically removed. He was reassigned to be raised as female and given the name Brenda. Money further recommended hormone treatment to which the parents agreed, Money then recommended a surgical procedure to create an artificial vagina, which the parents refused. Money published a number of papers reporting the reassignment as successful.
David's case came to international attention in 1997 when he told his story to Milton Diamond, an academic sexologist who persuaded Reimer to allow him to report the outcome in order to dissuade physicians from treating other infants similarly.[14] Soon after, Reimer went public with his story, and John Colapinto published a widely disseminated and influential account in Rolling Stone magazine in December 1997.[15]
In 2000, David and his twin brother (Brian) alleged that Money forced the twins to rehearse sexual acts involving "thrusting movements", with David playing the bottom role.[16] He said as a child, Money forced him go "down on all fours" with his brother, Brian Reimer, "up behind his butt" with "his crotch against" his "buttocks," and that Money forced David to have his "legs spread" with Brian on top. Money also forced the children to take their "clothes off" and engage in "genital inspections". On at "least one occasion", Money reportedly took photographs of the two children doing these activities. Money's rationale for these various treatments was his belief that "childhood 'sexual rehearsal play'" was important for a "healthy adult gender identity".[16]
Reimer had experienced the visits to Baltimore as traumatic, and when Money started pressuring the family to bring him in for surgery during which a vagina would be constructed, the family discontinued the follow-up visits. From 22 months into his teenaged years, Reimer urinated through a hole that surgeons had placed in the abdomen. Estrogen was given during adolescence to induce breast development. Having no contact with the family once the visits were discontinued, John Money published nothing further about the case.
For several years, Money reported on Reimer's progress as the "John/Joan case", describing apparently successful female gender development and using this case to support the feasibility of sex reassignment and surgical reconstruction even in non-intersex cases. Money wrote, "The child's behavior is so clearly that of an active little girl and so different from the boyish ways of her twin brother." Notes by a former student at Money's lab state that, during the follow-up visits, which occurred only once a year, Reimer's parents routinely lied to lab staff about the success of the procedure. The twin brother, Brian, later developed schizophrenia.[17]
On July 1, 2002,[18] Brian was found dead from an overdose of antidepressants. On May 5, 2004, after suffering years of severe depression, financial instability, and marital troubles,[19] David committed suicide by shooting himself in the head with a sawed-off shotgun at the age of 38. Reimer's parents have stated that Money's methodology was responsible for the deaths of both of their sons.[20]
Money claimed that media response to the exposé was due to right-wing media bias and "the antifeminist movement." He claimed his detractors believed "masculinity and femininity are built into the genes so women should get back to the mattress and the kitchen."[21] However, intersex activists also criticized Money, stating that the unreported failure had led to the surgical reassignment of thousands of infants as a matter of policy.[22] Privately, Money was mortified by the case, colleagues said, and as a rule did not discuss it.[23] Money's own views also developed and changed over the years.[1][24]
Pedophilia opinions[edit]
John Money was critical in debates on chronophilias, especially pedophilia. He stated that both sexual researchers and the public do not make distinctions between affectional pedophilia and sadistic pedophilia. Money asserted that affectional pedophilia was about love and not sex.
If I were to see the case of a boy aged ten or eleven who's intensely erotically attracted toward a man in his twenties or thirties, if the relationship is totally mutual, and the bonding is genuinely totally mutual ... then I would not call it pathological in any way.[25][26]
Money held the view that affectional pedophilia is caused by a surplus of parental love that became erotic, and is not a behavioral disorder. Rather, he took the position that heterosexuality is another example of a societal and therefore superficial, ideological concept.[25][26]

 

http://www.thepublicdiscourse.com/2015/04/14905/

The transgender movement began as the brainchild of three men who shared a common bond: all three were pedophilia activists.

The story starts with the infamous Dr. Alfred Kinsey, a biologist and sexologist whose legacy endures today. Kinsey believed that all sex acts were legitimate—including pedophilia, bestiality, sadomasochism, incest, adultery, prostitution, and group sex. He authorized despicable experiments on infants and toddlers to gather information to justify his view that children of any age enjoyed having sex. Kinsey advocated the normalization of pedophilia and lobbied against laws that would protect innocent children and punish sexual predators.

Transsexualism was added to Kinsey’s repertoire when he was presented with the case of an effeminate boy who wanted to become a girl. Kinsey consulted an acquaintance of his, an endocrinologist by the name of Dr. Harry Benjamin. Transvestites, men who dressed as women, were well-known. Kinsey and Benjamin saw this as an opportunity to change a transvestite physically, way beyond dress and make-up. Kinsey and Benjamin became professional collaborators in the first case of what Benjamin would later call “transsexualism.”

Benjamin asked several psychiatric doctors to evaluate the boy for possible surgical procedures to feminize his appearance. They couldn’t come to a consensus on the appropriateness of feminizing surgery. That didn’t stop Benjamin. On his own, he began offering female hormone therapy to the boy. The boy went to Germany for partial surgery, and Benjamin lost all contact with him, making any long-term follow-up impossible.

The Tragic Story of the Reimer Twins

The third co-founder of today’s transgender movement was psychologist Dr. John Money, a dedicated disciple of Kinsey and a member of a transsexual research team headed by Benjamin.

Money’s first transgender case came in 1967 when he was asked by a Canadian couple, the Reimers, to repair a botched circumcision on their two-year-old son, David. Without any medical justification, Money launched into an experiment to make a name for himself and advance his theories about gender, no matter what the consequences to the child. Money told the distraught parents that the best way to assure David’s happiness was to surgically change his genitalia from male to female and raise him as a girl. As many parents do, the Reimers followed their doctor’s orders, and David was replaced with Brenda. Money assured the parents that Brenda would adapt to being a girl and that she would never know the difference. He told them that they should keep it a secret, so they did—at least for a while.

Activist doctors like Dr. Money always look brilliant at first, especially if they control the information that the media report. Money played a skilled game of “catch me if you can,” reporting the success of the boy’s gender change to the medical and scientific community and building his reputation as a leading expert in the emerging field of gender change. It would be decades before the truth was revealed. In reality, David Reimer’s “adaptation” to being a girl was completely different from the glowing reports concocted by Money for journal articles. By age twelve, David was severely depressed and refused to return to see Money. In desperation, his parents broke their secrecy, and told him the truth of the gender reassignment. At age fourteen, David chose to undo the gender change and live as a boy.

In 2000, at the age of thirty-five, David and his twin brother finally exposed the sexual abuse Dr. Money had inflicted on them in the privacy of his office. The boys told how Dr. Money took naked photos of them when they were just seven years old. But pictures were not enough for Money. The pedophilic doctor also forced the boys to engage in incestuous sexual activities with each other.

The consequences of Money’s abuse were tragic for both boys. In 2003, only three years after going public about their tortured past, David’s twin brother, Brian, died from a self-inflicted overdose. A short while later, David also committed suicide. Money had finally been exposed as a fraud, but that didn’t help the grieving parents whose twin boys were now dead.

The exposure of Money’s fraudulent research results and tendencies came too late for people suffering from gender issues, too. Using surgery had become well-established by then, and no one cared that one of its founders was discredited.

 

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Dr. Frankensteins is what they actually were! Can you imagine? "Sex change" operations on confused children. That is the ultimate in disgusting. Those men should have been in jail, not allowed to perform macabre experiments on confused children and/or adults.

 

From the previous link . . .

Results from Johns Hopkins: Surgery Gives No Relief

Dr. Money became the co-founder of one of the first university-based gender clinics in the United States at Johns Hopkins University, where gender reassignment surgery was performed. After the clinic had been in operation for several years, Dr. Paul McHugh, the director of psychiatry and behavioral science at Hopkins, wanted more than Money’s assurances of success immediately following surgery. McHugh wanted more evidence. Long-term, were patients any better off after surgery?

McHugh assigned the task of evaluating outcomes to Dr. Jon Meyer, the chairman of the Hopkins gender clinic. Meyer selected fifty subjects from those treated at the Hopkins clinic, both those who had undergone gender reassignment surgery and those who had not had surgery. The results of this study completely refuted Money’s claims about the positive outcomes of sex-change surgery. The objective report showed no medical necessity for surgery.

On August 10, 1979, Dr. Meyer announced his results: “To say this type of surgery cures psychiatric disturbance is incorrect. We now have objective evidence that there is no real difference in the transsexual’s adjustments to life in terms of job, educational attainment, marital adjustment and social stability.” He later told The New York Times: “My personal feeling is that the surgery is not a proper treatment for a psychiatric disorder, and it’s clear to me these patients have severe psychological problems that don’t go away following surgery.”

Less than six months later, the Johns Hopkins gender clinic closed. Other university-affiliated gender clinics across the country followed suit, completely ceasing to perform gender reassignment surgery. No success was reported anywhere.

Results from Benjamin’s Colleague: Too Many Suicides

It was not just the Hopkins clinic reporting lack of outcomes from surgery. Around the same time, serious questions about the effectiveness of gender change came from Dr. Harry Benjamin’s partner, endocrinologist Charles Ihlenfeld.

Ihlenfeld worked with Benjamin for six years and administered sex hormones to 500 transsexuals. Ihlenfeld shocked Benjamin by publicly announcing that 80 percent of the people who want to change their gender shouldn’t do it. Ihlenfeld said: “There is too much unhappiness among people who have had the surgery…Too many end in suicide.” Ihlenfeld stopped administering hormones to patients experiencing gender dysphoria and switched specialties from endocrinology to psychiatry so he could offer such patients the kind of help he thought they really needed.

In the wake of the Hopkins study, the closure of the flagship Hopkins clinic, and the warning sounded by Ihlenfeld, advocates of sex change surgery needed a new strategy. Benjamin and Money looked to their friend, Paul Walker, PhD, a homosexual and transgender activist they knew shared their passion to provide hormones and surgery. A committee was formed to draft standards of care for transgenders that furthered their agenda, with Paul Walker at the helm. The committee included a psychiatrist, a pedophilia activist, two plastic surgeons, and a urologist, all of whom would financially benefit from keeping gender reassignment surgery available for anyone who wanted it. The “Harry Benjamin International Standards of Care” were published in 1979 and gave fresh life to gender surgery.

 

I don't need to understand their culture or motivation, or endorse it, or agree with it.

But understanding their culture, or them understanding mine, is not what's needed. What's needed is tolerance, and space. You leave me alone, I'll leave you alone. Once in a while we might bump into each other, we just say "excuse me" and walk away. Its that simple.

 

Which harkened back to ww1 and ww2 (first tom and jerry cartoons were released in 1940) when the Germans called British soldiers "Tommy" and British soldiers called Germans "Jerry".

Seems we're making strides. Before we were being brainwashed to go to war and die for the government. Now we just need to teach kindergartners about sex.

 

While Dr. Money had horrible views pedophilia, and Dr. Kinsey interviewed a pedophile, but neither were ever accused nor convicted of pedophilia. Additionally, the first use of the term similar to it was Transsexualismus, a German word introduced by Norman Haire. The first use of transsexual in english was David Oliver Cauldwell around 1950. I am not sure where you found that Kinsey or Money was responsible for transgender theory. Kinsey died in 1956, and I could not find any mention about Dr. Money and transgender nor transsexual theory. Transgender is a more recent term, so any early work would have used the term transsexual.