An interesting fact about armed guards

Are you using a fair amount of hyperbole, that should bring you up to par with any and all leftist version of that event

 

Seems quite the struggle on your part to dismiss the validity of the reason people use firearms each and every day.

If you own a firearm and you use that firearm you are much more likely to use it to resolve a domestic dispute, a dispute with you neighbor, Ohm I forgot this one, to kill yourself than you are ever likely to use it in self defense.

That dynamic alone dictates that more guns is not a solution.

 

No I’m not saying they CAN’T learn another ‘skill set’. I’m saying most don’t WANT to learn the ‘skill set’ of killing. There is a difference.
And I didn’t make the claim about most teachers being liberal. Please re-read what I ACTUALLY said.

 

And I know teachers who want nothing to do with guns. So we both have anecdotal evidence.

 

"That study, known as the National Self-Defense Survey (NSDS), involved conducting nearly 5,000 interviews by phone in 48 states, anonymously, with phone numbers randomly generated. The respondents were asked if over the past five years they had used a gun—even if not fired—for self-protection or protection of property at work, home, or elsewhere. They were asked to exclude any use in miitary, police, or security work, if applicable, and asked whether the gun use was against an animal or a person.

If their response indicated a DGU, they were asked if the gun use had occurred in the past year, and if it was the speaker or another member of the household who had the experience. Those who claimed DGUs were then asked what Kleck described in his 2001 book Armed as a "detailed series of questions establishing exactly what happened" in the incidents.

Kleck says they found 222 bonafide DGUs directly via survey. The defender had to "state a specific crime they thought was being committed" and to have actually used the gun, even if just threateningly or by "verbally referring to the gun." Kleck insists the surveyors were scrupulous about eliminating any sketchy or questionable-seeming responses.

The study concluded, based only on stories said to have occurred to the speaker during the past year, and extrapolating from their results, that 2.2 to 2.5 million DGUs happened in the U.S. a year"

https://reason.com/blog/2015/03/09/how-to-count-the-defensive-use-of-guns

 

Why don't you go back and tell me exactly what illegal or immoral behavior I accused anyone of.

And

Let me correct my later statement.

A statement of fact that is known to be false when it is made is a lie.

Better?

 

"The study concluded, based only on stories "

I believe the correct response here is BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

 

See post #38 And learn how to use the word yours without implicating someone

And #49

Or better yet ask Lee S.

Note the word SUGGEST

 

"That study, known as the National Self-Defense Survey (NSDS), involved conducting nearly 5,000 interviews by phone in 48 states, anonymously, with phone numbers randomly generated. The respondents were asked if over the past five years they had used a gun—even if not fired—for self-protection or protection of property at work, home, or elsewhere. They were asked to exclude any use in miitary, police, or security work, if applicable, and asked whether the gun use was against an animal or a person.

If their response indicated a DGU, they were asked if the gun use had occurred in the past year, and if it was the speaker or another member of the household who had the experience. Those who claimed DGUs were then asked what Kleck described in his 2001 book Armed as a "detailed series of questions establishing exactly what happened" in the incidents.

Kleck says they found 222 bonafide DGUs directly via survey. The defender had to "state a specific crime they thought was being committed" and to have actually used the gun, even if just threateningly or by "verbally referring to the gun." Kleck insists the surveyors were scrupulous about eliminating any sketchy or questionable-seeming responses.

The study concluded, based only on stories said to have occurred to the speaker during the past year, and extrapolating from their results, that 2.2 to 2.5 million DGUs happened in the U.S. a year"

https://reason.com/blog/2015/03/09/how-to-count-the-defensive-use-of-guns

Difference is nobody wants to force any teacher to carry a gun that doesn't want to while your side won't allow teachers to carry a gun if the want to. If they have a CC license they can carry a gun anywhere else so why not schools?

 

Based on essentially a survey.


"Kleck says they found 222 bonafide DGUs directly via survey. The defender had to "state a specific crime they thought was being committed" and to have actually used the gun, even if just threateningly or by "verbally referring to the gun." Kleck insists the surveyors were scrupulous about eliminating any sketchy or questionable-seeming responses."

 

Well I guess you are right. I must apologize I guess I should not assume that democrats think!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

This looks like a personal attack. It is against forum rules.

Yeah an 89 year old woman on SS might beat the hell out of one of our overpaid under worked gov employee.

 

Yeah. Pass more laws, that will stop killers dead in their tracks, just like it has drug dealers.
Perhaps we can eventually pass a law that says you have to learn to think before you can have the right to vote.
Then, we would get even better laws.

 

Don't feel too bad, Logical- we all make that mistake, trying to give them the benefit of the doubt. It's a long shot, but I keep doing it too.

 

I'm sure that there are some good hearted souls who are retired LEOs & military who would be willing to work at their convenience, "some of" the time however most are retired for a reason and may not want to spend their last years at a stressful full time job on worn out old feet & knees working for free 8 - 10 hours a day.
The hue & cry to "do something" to make schools secure from mass shooters seems loud enough to justify paid & contracted security officers who are trained specifically for detecting & dealing with school shooters. It would be additionally productive if school security personnel had some training in child / adolescent psychology in order to identify troubled students before they lash out.
Remember, we get what we pay for & sometimes "free" ends up being very costly.

 

If determined killers ignore the 20,000 existing gun control laws, what makes you think they will suddenly obey new ones?

If the gun ban crowd somehow manages to disarm private citizens, which is after all their true agenda, determined killers will simply turn to more lethal home made bombs(1) and Molotov Cocktails(2)

Please note that no school shooting has rivaled the Bath, Michigan bombing in lethality in 90 years nor has any mass shooting anywhere in America rivaled the "Happy Land" firebombing's lethality in which the killer's "assault weapon" was $1.00 worth of gasoline.


(1) "Ninety years ago, a school in Bath, Michigan was rigged with explosives in a brutal act that stunned the town"
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/hist...chool-massacre-180963355/#KSipwm4IUrIbB9uc.99

EXCERPTS "In the end 44 people died, 38 of them students. It wasn’t the first bombing in the country’s history—at least eight were killed during the Haymarket Square rally in Chicago in 1886, and 30 when a bomb exploded in Manhattan in 1920. But none had been so deadly as this, or affected so many children."CONTINUED


(2) "Happy Land fire"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Happy_Land_fire

EXCERPT "González went to an Amoco gas station, then returned to the establishment with a plastic container with $1 worth of gasoline.[2][4] He spread the fuel at the base of a staircase, the only access into the club, and then ignited the gasoline.[5]
Eighty-seven people died in the resulting fire."CONTINUED

 

Something the retired need to know. If you set you rust. I am 79 years old and I am in exceptional health. My doctor places me at least 25 years younger than my age. In the summer I ride the trike in my avatar picture about 100 miles a week.

I am ex-Navy and would be very willing to take some more training and volunteer for FREE my time at a local school. As the left and the education people are want to say---------------------"its for the children".

 

Thanks, I agree that "If you set you rust" however because I've lived my 67 years very fully if not wisely, I've got quite an extensive collection of maladies that limit what I can do. I started torture testing my body before joining a combat paratrooper unit in S.E. Asia, wrecked 4 motorcycles, walked much of the way from London to Iran & used to box, wrestle, play football, raced bicycles (200+ miles per day) & after countless vocations, took up blacksmithing 25 years ago. In spite of 2 worn out artificial hips, bad knees, lower back disorder, cancer, heart "issues" & broken feet, I still make a few wrought iron artifacts, enjoy target shooting & many other things.

I used to teach so I'm familiar with school environments but most of the retired people I know are also in the "Scratch n' Dent" category & would be unable to volunteer for a job that requires you to be on your feet most of the day.
Congratulations on maintaining good health. If not serving as an armed guard, I'm sure that your school system would welcome your experiences in some capacity.
Maybe you could start out as a substitute teacher, get a feel for things & take it from there.
Good luck

 

Why can't we just solve our murder problem instead?

 

And you know who want what exactly how? We call it self defense as the goal is to stop the shooter and prevent innocent deaths. If no one dies, all the better. You're drinking deep from the liberal Kool-Aid today.

 

Uh, I check your post before you make any more outlandish statements.

 

All this hype about school shootings is for the birds, when you consider the size and density of the country, as well as the cultural and ethnic mix. It is surprising there have been so few fatalities.
Check Wiki here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_school_shootings_in_the_United_States#1880s

One has to ask, who is putting the pressure on gun control and what is their actual aim?

I think the American people should relax and rather, if possible, spend more care and quality time on their youngsters. Instead of chasing after more material goods, the mother should stay home and look after the children.
It has puzzled me for years, why so many parents won't look after their own kids and rather farm them out to some desperate stranger to look after them?
Where is the love and care?
Oh, and why have kids in the first place, if you can't or wont raise them yourself?

 

Never said ‘your side’ did want to force any teacher to carry a gun. And I have no side. This whole ‘your side’, ‘my side’ stuff is silly.

 

You’ve watched too many Dirty Harry movies.

 

What? Ask any well known self defense guru on the planet and he'll tell you the same thing. I know libs are deeply absorbed into fantasy, but don't inflict it upon the rest of us.