Another aussie dumb enough to have drugs in bali

Is your opinion of BS anything you don't agree with?

 

I lost my right to own a firearm. I lost my right to purchase one, and so did everyone else.

 

The then Howard government took notice of what was being said by everyday (the majority of Australians) Australians at their dismay over the Port Arthur massacres. The government listened and tightened up gun licensing laws. The people in the minority, some gun owners and the fringe dweller looney gun groups complained.

Democracy at its finest.

 

Again, why did the Howard government wait until AFTER Port Arthur to introduce the gun buyback scheme? What was wrong with introducing it before?

 

Is there are definite reason you can't own a firearm? I know a few target shooters and hunters who still have licensed firearms.

Did you break the law or considered an undesirable?

 

I wish to own a firearm to defend myself and my home from danger. Am I expected to believe that I can simply apply for a gun and get one?

 

I think it was the shock of 35 deaths. Up until the recent Norwegan killings,the highest number of deaths in one incedent in the world. Nothing to be proud of.

 

Personally, I think Howard needed justification to introduce his buyback scheme, and the timing of Port Arthur was quite coincidental.

 

I don't know,,I've never had reason to own a gun.

 

I hate guns, I'll be honest. I loathe them. But I don't like the idea of banning them just because someone went on a massacre. It isn't fair to the majority.

 

Mak, firearms are completely safe in the right hands. I`m all for strict real world conditions for firearm ownership, but some of the present laws are stupid. Target shooting is one of the safest sports in the country. It`s only the emotive ignorami who believe everything they see on TV who want to kill it off.

In reply to some of the desperately uninformed, on the loss of firearms by genuine target shooters with spotless records. Thousands of genuine target shooters have lost their H license because they, for whatever reason, couldn`t fulfil the quota of compulsory, registered competitions for any given year. Anyone ignorant of this common knowledge, shouldn`t engage in gun debate.

 

By your own figures, suicide by firearm has dropped by 80%, while the general suicide rate has dropped by 80%, which leaves you exactly nowhere. Since you have displayed a great lack of knowledge regarding this issue, and unless you have already arrived at an emotional conclusion, restristing you from further thought on this matter, you might be interested in some facts.

http://www.ssaa.org.au/research/1998/1998-05-01_more-guns-less-crime-lott-press-release.html

 

*yawn* not my figures, Australian bureau of statistics. Take your faulty maths skills up with them

Lol, facts he says. And posts a link to the Sporting Shooters Association LOl.

 

Guns arent banned, where did you get that idea?

 

So they lost their licenses due to not conforming to the conditions of their licence. Whats next on the agenda, campaigning for drunk drivers to keep their drivers licenses?. Thanks for underlining the fact that not one person in this country has lost the preexisting right to legally own firearms. Do you realise you are arguing against your own case? Lol, what a maroon.

 

They're aren't banned Mak. Just tightly controlled.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_Australia

 

You never had that right to own a firearm for that reason, neither did anyone else in this country. You lost nothing.

 

I can`t believe anyone could be so thick, lol. Comparing the recent imposition of compulsory quota on target shooters, with drink drivers is too silly for words.

 

I agree. However I didnt compare compulsary quota with drink drivers. You appear to be imagining things.

 

This is not a discussion about gun-control; may we return to the serious question under discussion?

Frankly, I find the story of a good deed to help feeding someone's family, quite in line with a not-too-bright fourteen year old's level of inventiveness, in order to put a positive spin on a misdeed. However, he is 14, and while that was only four years ago, I shudder to think of the consequences if people had twigged to some of my deeds at that age. We all do dumb things at 13-14, and he was clearly set up. I have no doubt he thought 'scoring' some weed was mega-cool and right up there with the grown-ups.

That anyone, including the Indonesian authorities, thinks that having a kid rot in an Indonesian adult prison (with all that entails, including rape,) for up to six years, says very little for them as people. Particularly in respect of the victimless so-called crime of scoring a tiny amount of marihuana. And what do they think the twenty year old who emerges from that ordeal would be like?

There is no question but that the Australian authorities should demand the return of this child, as a human rights matter, just as they would not send a convicted criminal to a jurisdiction wherein he might be subject to the death penalty. His parents should be made to pay a fine to the Indonesians, and his punishment should be up to them (maybe a short grounding). He has harmed no one but himself.

 

We have Indonesian children in adult prison in Australia also. Not sure about the rape thing, where did you get that idea from?

 

If there are children in adult prisons in Australia, that is not as it should be. It is bad enough that children are kept in immigration detention centres. But the fact that abrogation of human rights occurs in one jurisdiction does not justify it in another.

From any number of books, films, etc. and general discussion. I am given to understand that is a part of the reason offenders under 18 are detained in separate facilities in most civilised countries. A 14 year old may not be physically big enough to defend himself.

 

Agreed, but I fail to understand why only the Australian boy seems to attract support and sympathy. Hypocritical dont you think?

You watch too many movies, while rape certainly does occur ocassionally it is unlikely to involve an underage prisoner. One of the cornerstones of prison management in Australia is protection of vulnerable prisoners. Young offenders under 21 get their own category and are generally well protected, sex offenders are also segregated from the general prison population.

 

Your post, yesterday 06:08 pm : "So they lost their licenses due to not conforming to the conditions of their licence. Whats next on the agenda, campaigning for drunk drivers to keep their drivers licenses?. Thanks for underlining the fact that not one person in this country has lost the preexisting right to legally own firearms. Do you realise you are arguing against your own case? Lol, what a maroon."

You aren`t doing your credability any good with the cheap little dodges.

 

Can you please show us the proof of your statement that "We have Indonesian children in adult prison in Australia also'?

And I don't want a rant about 'being kept behind barbed wire'. I mean a real prison.

And can we be sure these people are really children, as it is well known that a large number of these so called children are really adults, dressed up as children. It's just a ploy to appeal to our feeling for the welfare of children and, in some instances, to enable their parents and extended members of their family to migrate to OZ (our Federal Government may be suipd/naive, but the ordinary Aussie is not). And if they are children, and their parents have not accompanied them,the parents should, if possible, be charged with child cruelty.