Another Failure of the gun control effort.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/11/1...fter-15-years-5m-and-zero-cases/?intcmp=hpbt1

Makes me think of the expanded background checks and the promise of their failure should it ever be enacted.

 

Don't manufacturers already test fire each gun and record the ballistics data? Most of my new guns come with a testfired casing. What is the purpose of this?

 

As I remember reading awhile back, it serves 2 purposes:
1.) You know that the gun was test fired as part of QC, and
2.) The FFL has the choice of either giving that fired case to Nanny, or leaving it for you.

 

I'd wager that there are few, if any, instances of a crime solved because the gun used in said crime was registered.

 

According to what I've read they had 26 matches. But those matches were "backdoor" ie they simply confirmed what they already knew (which gun) rather than finding a shell casing and solving the case right there. Which was what it was touted as being for (just find a casing etc)

 

Right -- when you have the gun, you don't need a registry to match a case.

 

Smart criminals who plan to use a handgun while committing a crime use a revolver.

No shell casing being ejected, no shell casing linking to the handgun.

All you have to do is look at our prison population, full of stupid people.

There's also all of those dead stupid people who think they can outrun a bullet.

 

So, what if I knew I was going to be using one of my Glocks to commit crimes? What if it was .40 S&W cal.?
What if I sent $100 bucks or so to Wolf, or any of the other half dozen or so aftermarket, drop-in barrel makers?
Let's make that new barrel a 9mm, since it works fine in the .40 slides.
I can leave all the brass I want to, laying all over the place.

 

Why not use what professional hit men use ? A cheap .22 cal. rim fire revolver with a silencer attached.

Rule of thumb:
After you put five or six rounds in the head of your target, you drop the revolver next to the dead body and didi.

You never want to be caught in possession of a weapon that can be traced back to having been used in a crime.

That's why you buy cheap guns so you can dispose of them without it hurting your bottom line.(wallet)

 

To show the gun works.

 

Most intelligent criminals use a 357 round in a .38 special.

That entire idea of tracing a round disappears.

 

Uhm WHAT?




PS moderators are awesome.

 

A .357 round will not fit in a .38 special. It's .1 inch longer, and that is part of the reason for the invention of the .357 magnum--to prevent powerful rounds from being put into weak guns.

Also, a .357 bullet is not different than a .38 special bullet. If I shot a 158 grain semi-wadcutter .357 magnum, it would be exact same type of bullet as a 158 grain semi-wadcutter .38 special.

Regardless, I can take a sharp piece of metal (ideally a small file), rub it the barrel, and change the ballistic marks on the future bullets to be shot from the gun. Ballistic tracing based on samples taken before the gun has ever been sold to a consumer is just a foolish idea, based on no practical knowledge of guns.

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Revolvers can't be silenced (well, except for a few wierd ones).

 

Sorry I'm on 34 hours no sleep and I may have gotten them mixed up.

I'll respond more coherently tomorrow.

 

There's all kinds of things that can be done if you want to completely mess up any ballistic fingerprinting. That's not one though as perdidochas explained.

There's a rather infamous assassination here that has the FBI befuddled on the ballistics. They have a 9mm bullet but have no clue what it came out of. Best theory I've heard is a 9mm Parabellum shot out of a Makarov. The Makarov is a Russian gun that is chambered in the 9x18 Makarov, it's identical to the 9x18 Parabellum but the bullet is .22mm larger. The Russians did this so they can use NATO ammo but NATO guns can't use Russian ammo. Anyway when a 9mm Parabellum is fired out of it there's little or no markings from the rifling.

 

Your right. "well except for a few weird ones" like the Nagant revolver.

[video]https://youtu.be/vvF4yurWSc0[/video]

 

I can't believe you said that. One can't use a suppressor on a revolver. Gas escaping through the gap between the cylinder and forcing cone makes as much or more noise than gas escaping the muzzle, behind the bullet.
I guess you're just not a professional hit man.

 

Oh No! Please, Korben. In metric cartridge identifications, the numbers have meanings. A 9x18 Makarov is a 9mm bullet (nominally .355", for the Makarov) fired from a case that is 18 mm long.
9mm NATO is 9x19, and the bullets are nominally .356" dia. The thousandth either way in bullet diameter makes no difference. What does make a difference is that both cartridges headspace on the mouth of the case.
You have the interchangeability mixed up.
A 9x18 Makarov cartridge can be fired from a 9x19 gun. Although the case is 1mm short from properly headspacing on the mouth of the case in the chamber, the extractor holds the base firmly enough to allow an effective strike from the firing pin.
You canNOT fire a 9mm NATO round in a Makarov chambered pistol. The case mouth abuts against the shoulder in the chamber before the bolt can go into battery, and this prevents the gun from firing.

 

"silencers" are worthless on revolvers due to the noise coming from the cylinder gap"

cleaners use semi auto 22 pistols that are easy to suppress by drilling holes in the barrel and wrapping it with oil soaked steel wool with a pipe fitted over the SW

 

Better yet just run the cleaning rod down the barrel real well

 

how do you get a 357 to chamber in a 38 special

 

9mm Luger or Parabellum is a 9X19

the Makarov is a 9X18

the 380 is a 9x17

there is also (I used it in OPEN class IPSC) 9x21

and finally the rare (I believe the Walther P5 was available in it)

9X18 ULTRA

I don't believe you can fire a 9X19 in a Makarov

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Yeah I realized I messed that up after I couldn't edit. I was just recalling what a friend if mine who owns a Makarov told me long ago.

Looked it up, we're both right and both wrong. The bullet is bigger, but no you can't fire a 9mm parabellum in a Makarov.

 

9x21 not 38 super?

 

Sure you can have a revolver with a silencer, it just will not be as efficient as a pistol with a silencer. A revolver with a silencer attached will still have lower sound decibels than a revolver without a silencer.

Some for get, when using a rifle or a pistol with a silencer, it may be silent on your end but unless the bullet is sub sonic, it's not silent down range. The bullet is traveling faster than the speed of sound, breaking the sound barrier.

Anyone who has been in combat has herd a bullet flying over their heads,. That crack, pop, whop, whizz, whooping sound, etc, what you hear isn't the sound coming from the weapon but the bullet breaking the sound barrier.

Every weapon and bullet has a distinct sound while passing near you or over your head. An AK-47, 7.62 X 38 sounds completely different passing over your head than a 7.62 X 54R being fired by a Mosin–Nagant or a M-16, 5.56 round or a 7.62 NATO round being fired from a M-14 or M-60 machine gun. Even a subsonic bullet like the .45 ACP has it's own distinct sound as it passes over your head even though it's not breaking the sound barrier. Trying to remember what a .22 rim fire bullet sounds like when it passes over your head ? It's been over forty some years but if I remember correctly it was more like a woo woo woo woo sound.

You learn (*)(*)(*)(*) like that real quick when you find yourself on the receiving end of friendly fire.