Another lying snake comes out from under her rock

No they don't, because they haven't developed to the point where the structures that are the seat of consciousness are connected. You can't be conscious before the cortex and thalamus (or its precursor) are connected.

 

There is a very large intelligent portion of our population who believe that life begins at different points. It bothers me not in the least that they have these beliefs because I realize there is some arbitrariness in any point they pick. I will willingly discuss it, but do not get bent out of shape if they disagree..

There is nothing magic about the point at which you believe life begins. It is an arbitrary decision. There is just as much validity in their belief as yours.

It is because I have thoughts of my own that I know there is no absolute right or wrong answer.

 

There really is a right answer, because a pre-conscious fetus with no mind at all is not a being at all. It is illogical to extend rights to things without minds, that can neither think nor suffer and so have no more stake in things than inanimate objects.

 

Subject matter experts do not impress me. Through long experience, I have learned that they are not always right.

 

I fail to see how that proves there is a right answer on the point life begins.

 

The question isn't when life begins. Nobody values life. We eat living plants. Republicans who call themselves pro-life even like to kill bad people (I mean "execute" them for "justice"). No it's not life, it's a particular kind of life. Whatever kind of life it is, it's going to be the kind that has a mind. We don't mourn the death of cancer cells, we celebrate it, because even though they are unique, human, and alive, they are not persons with minds and are actually a threat to a person with a mind.

 

That viewpoint tends to offend me. When I see an infant or a toddler, I can't help but marvel that a year or so ago, the infant or toddler simply did not exist in a form approximating what they are now.. It is impossible to comprehend how just a few months ago, they simply did not exist. They bring such joy that it would have been a tragedy for them not to have been born. They are a marvel far beyond comprehension.

 

There’s a big difference between believing in “crazy things” like a flat earth or that Obama is a Muslim Marxist sleeper agent and someone being socially inept or unknowledgeable about areas outside their expertise. One is, literally, crazy or just low IQ. The other falls within the realm of normal human behavior.

 

This woman is making women look ridiculous. Something happened 35 years ago, but she can't remember where, when, how she got there, etc., etc. Why, if Democrats care about women, are they participating in a scheme that makes women look ridiculous?

 

I’m guessing most people here can’t remember the exact date, time and address of when they lost their virginity. Maybe not even the name of their sex partner. I can tell you the year and even the season plus where it was (her bed) but not the date, month or her name....and I was completely sober.

Perhaps you can give more details on your first sexual encounter.

 

Ford is insisting on an investigation, and I agree there should be one. The whole story reeks of political manipulation, and for the sole purpose of throwing obstacles in the way of the proper course of the confirmation hearings. The whole thing smells like a load of dead fish on a hot summer day.

She, her story, Feinstien and all those who are playing this maneuver should be investigated thoroughly, and prosecuted if appropriate.,

Any person or group of people that would stoop to such tactics is absolutely unfit to be called American.

 

Never have I said there is an absolute right or wrong answer. You moved the goalposts and now you are creating a straw man.

All I have been doing is correcting your various errors and pointing out your faulty logic (aka fallacies).

 

Me neither but - you were the one that was engaging in appeal to authority fallacy. Now you contradict yourself.

You have wandered down the rabbit hole and have gotten away from the central premise I started out with which is the legal argument and not the particulars of the abortion debate.

I started out with the premise "Experts disagree". You agree with this premise - as evidenced by numerous of your posts.

Experts disagree = "We don't know"

We do not make law in this nation on the basis of " We don't know" or the equally ridiculous "we don't know otherwise".

 

I grant that my example was a little hyperbolic but, the point is that intelligent people will often believe some really dumb things.

For example - the belief that a single human cell = a living human/ a Homo sapiens.

 

You have made a lot of comments of about how I did this or how I did that. Very few of them true. I have had one contention and one contention only. There are numerous points where we could say life begins. None of them are absolutely conclusive. There are people who say life begins long before conception, even before the parents are born.. I believe they are just as right as saying it is only when there is a significant brain activity.

You said we do not make law in this nation on the basis of "we don't know." Our laws are almost all based on "we don't know". and because we don't know we try to mitigate the effects of being wrong.

 

Bump!

 

I am 62, girls got plenty drunk at parties in the 70s....how far back do you want to go?

 

This kind of thing worked for the dems in the past but people are wising up to the age old dem play book. Kavanaugh will be confirmed and the dems will have to toss yet another play book in the garbage.

 

I am 66 and yes they did I doubt there was much difference in the early 80's. If anything happened at all I am willing to bet she doesn't remember who it was with.

 

Works for me; investigate everyone involved and prosecute any liars.

I think what you will find is that Ford is telling the truth; Feinstein used her for political reasons, the Republicans are doing the same and Brett was a party dog in HS and college.

 

An excellent way to handle rapists.

 

Is that why Feinstein is now distancing herself from Ford and why won't Feinstein pony up the original letter?

 

One thing that hasn't been mentioned here is, you can't attack/rape a willing soul.

 

Agreed on some "dumb things" but that covers a lot of territory and a large variance in degree. At some point in crosses over to mental illness for intelligent people. Dumbasses are always dumbasses. As Ron White said, "You can't fix stupid".


While I disagree with those who believe a Zygote is a human being, that gets more into politics and/or religion just like some people believe banning guns will cure mental illness and solve the gang problem in poor sections of their cities.