anti-gun Austrailia - 6 lives saved by a WOMAN WITH A GUN

I doubt you understood it-what was the need to ban the future sale of already heavily restricted weapons that have never been used in any murders by private citizens in the last 80 years

 

No it doesn't, it proves that that's what I think of your insane desire to have guns at the expense of people's lives.

 

Sorry but fully automatic weapons should not be in the hands of anybody but the military.

 

It really is about public safety. That doesn’t automatically make the left correct just by caring about public safety, but it would help you to know where your opponents are coming from. I know I’ve said it before, but your statement is much like the left accusing the right of simply wanting to oppress women as the reason for being pro life.

I get the sensitivity. Gun banning has been about preventing rebellion before. But not here recently

 

Must have missed that one.

Perhaps the OP was a fan. I'd ask him, but he seems to have done a vanishing act. I'd like to think it was due to shame at such a disgraceful thread, but I know better than that.

 

A trained police officer with a gun is not the problem. A trained private citizen using the gun respecting their training is not the problem. Idiots without training or without respect for their training is the problem. They are the ones that have their guns stolen or used by children. There are so many stolen guns on the markets that they are cheaper than buying new.

Get trained. Store your weapons securely and safely. No problems with me.

 

Since stolen guns are cheaper than buying legal ones because of their numbers one could wonder if the manufacturers are behind the thefts, it keeps sales up! Why risk stealing a gun when they are so cheap on the black market?
Now there's a thought, what if we require gun owners insure their guns against theft? Insurance companies would make rules about safe storage and use training.

 

There's a number of problems wrong with that unless you're willing to let federal agents enter your house to ensure you're storing your firearms correctly even if you don't have any requiring safe storage isn't really possible.

Most people insure against theft by having locks on their doors and keeping the Windows shut and so forth. And then they have insurance that they pay for to cover property being stolen. So that already exists and most people have coverage for their firearms too.

As far as if someone else steals it and then does damage to another person the original owner isn't liable for that. He didn't let his gun got stolen as he took it.

So you can't hold somebody liable for the actions of another person what you should do if you want to reduce theft increase police particularly police patrols and something known as broken windows policing.

Putting the burden to enforce the law on the people owning the firearms makes them police. Letting the police twiddle their thumbs and do nothing while someone steals and then punishing someone who didn't steal because the police are stupid and incompetent is not a very good idea it will only encourage you more stupidity and more incompetence.

 

You say that living in a society where drugs kill more people than all auto accidents and murders combined (107,000). By your logic, all drug use should be banned in America.

If it is insane to desire guns even though people die, it is even more insane to desire drugs when an order of magnitude more people die. Drug use can never save your life, in a progressive low trust society where the courts refuse to lockup violent felons, guns save thousands of innocent lives every year.

 

None of that post is remotely accurate, the claim that a stolen firearm is cheaper than a legal new sale is ridiculous..

 

Only in a gun crazy society.

 

Seems hypocritical to preach when coming from a country that allows this to happen..
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If one doesn’t have enough common sense to know they should lock up their guns when there are children in the house then all the training in the world isn’t going to help. These people are beyond stupid and give good common sense gun owners a bad name.

 

And yet you say:

 

Logic why is it so difficult………

I will make one more attempt.

Step 1. Pass legislation stating that gun owners must take responsibility for their weapons and secure them at all times.
Step 2. Only apply that legislation if when something occurs that proves the gun was not under lock and key.
Step 3. Watch child deaths plummet
Step 4. Realise that nothing is ever or ever has to be “perfect” and that even small wins can be significant

 

Why do you think the American Academy of Paediatrics recommends not only safe securement of guns but encourages doctors to ask parents about how guns are stored (Something your NRA tried to get stopped by legislation)
sadly

 

A quarter of homes with children have unsafe gun storage


The other reason to safely store guns- and there is research that criminals often target houses with guns because they want to steal the guns

 

I actually have no problem with such legislation because it incenses me whenever I read stories about kids accessing a gun and shooting themselves or their sibling because the parents didn't have enough common sense to have their firearms locked up and inaccessible to kids.

 

So, Australians arm police, and not homicidal gun nuts.

That sounds eminently sensible, doesn't it?

 

That is absurd. There is a pool of over 430 million weapons and more than more than 4 million are purchased per year and you claim the solution is to lock up the guns and confiscate them when it is found they are not in lock and key. Has it occurred to you that more arms are being sold than will ever be confiscated.

Gun deaths generally fall into one of around three broad categories.

1. There are accidents. Locking up guns might have a small effect by keeping children and a few others who should not have access to guns. Guns are a dangerous tool, not as dangerous as a chain saw, but dangerous, especially in the wrong hands.

2. Intentionally shooting someone either in self defense or with the intent to murder someone. Locking up guns will have little to no effect.

3. Suicide. Statistics tend to indicate that if guns are not available, they will find another way to end it. Locking up guns will have little to no effect.

In short, locking up guns is common sense, but taking away guns only after an incident happens generally already happens.

 

Typical leftist thinking. Sounds good on paper, but identifying those homicidal guns nuts is nearly impossible except by taking away all guns whether they are legitimate gun owners or are genuinely homicidal gun nuts.

 

It sounds sensible for sure. Maybe its harder for thugs to get guns over there. I don't know but they have zero problems getting them in the USA so I don't think that would work in the USA. You'd just be disarming the innocent and putting a giant target on them for thugs to light up

 

One can imagine how many would have been killed in Australia if it had permissive gun laws and crackpots like this could easily acquire assault weapons
- or just look at any nation that does.

 

Eliminate chain saws and you reduce the chain saw deaths.

Eliminate automobiles and you reduce automobile deaths.

Eliminate knives and you reduce knife deaths.

Eliminate anything and you will stop deaths due to that item. That still does not make it a good idea. The fact remains that the criminals will have access to guns. If, you can figure out how to take them out of their hands first, the US will likely be more receptive to more stringent firearm control. In the meantime, I will keep my guns and stay proficient in their use.

 

And if you read the AAP statement on guns you would see there is solid research supporting securement of firearms as a way to reduce overall gun violence - even gangs. Did you know that a teen with access to a gun is more likely to be recruited to a Gang than one without access?