Anti-oligarchic revolution in Ukraine(daily updates)/Putin, EU, USA, NATO,oligarchs,

here i agree with you , it was a mistake that we gave Putin´s vatniks Abkhazia, it made them just more hungry

 

I agree with that assessment. The naive and gullible Ukranian youth in Kiev who cheer-led and stood behind the U.S funded fascists on the frontline of their "revolution", have made a massive error of judgement. The notion that the road to alignment with the EU will be paved with gold is an illusion as these cretins will find out to their cost following the partition of their country. EU loans will be conditional upon strict IMF guidelines predicated on austerity measures. On the other side, Russia will wash it's hands of any begging bowls from neo-nazis coming its way. The oligarchs in Western Ukraine will continue to pull the strings as they did prior to, and following, the Orange Revolution of 2004 and the corrupt and incompetent regime under their predecessor, Yanocovitch, will seem like paradise by comparison.

 

- http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26445666

 

http://www.spiegel.de/international/...-a-955328.html

 

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The US is not an oligarchy. We can remove our leaders whenever we want to.

If all leaders are elected by the general population, then by definition power is not vested in the few, and such a government cannot be an oligarchy.

 

Russians and Ukrainians always felt perfectly at home across the border between the two former Soviet Union republics, almost like one nation. All that Ukrainian nationalistic fervor is coming from Carpathian region with major city named Lviv (Lvov in Russian). Those are staunch Catholics and former collaborators with Hitler's Germany. Their effort will backfire. They already reached no return point, Ukraine will never be the same. They will be asking for money and arms to fight Russia. If we help them, it is going to be a major international trouble. I doubt we need to become involved in this mess. Better leave it to EU, Ukraine and Russia.

 

No you are

you just think so,,,,,(((

 

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How did you determine we can't? Do you have any examples?

 

This arrival of the activate rockets land - zemlya. with nucleus bomb! Why journalist keeps quiet? why exploring USA and Europe keeps quiet? Can not know? the problem of the given activate machines is intended for deleting European against missile defence.

 

To first question: Because these countries still have Russian influence, if not political then economic and ethnic influence.

To second question: Putin is not interested but in Crimea, because is strategic and almost totally inclined to become Russian territory.

To third question: US and EU are desperate to find idiot countries to suck their goods like crazy. The US is in great debt and EU is in bad shape. The US and EU have found a great opportunity to "LOAN" billions of dollars in "military assistance" (arms and war equipment that was separated already as junk) for a war that if coming in effect will be the catastrophe for Ukraine. In return, Ukraine will work almost for free as slave of the US and EU, which will suck their last penny without mercy. Lol

 

dont you think that all your presidents have followed a clear red line when it comes to israeli-palestinian conflict, the Multinational corporations, etc.?

 

1) what do you mean?
2) BS, anti anschluss demonstrators are scared, and dont show off , and you know why?
here are some more "inclined" people

3) a least US and EU dont ask parts of territory in return for support

 

How did you determine that they did this against the will of the people who voted them into office?

I mean, it is not as if plenty of other polls do now show American support for Israel.

I mean, it has been this way for a long time. This is not new. What exactly leads you to believe our leaders are not doing what we want them to do anyway?

 

don´t you think that people opinions can be manipulated?

 

How did you determine your own opinions have not been manipulated?

The fact that it can happen does not mean it has happened. I believe it is possible I can murder someone...that does not mean I have murdered someone.

So I am asking you...how did you determine that America's leaders are acting against the will of the people that voted for them? It sounds like it is an assumption you are making.

 

skeptic-f, I think you are correct. I personally better familiar with the Russian part and Ukrainian part of the three factions you listed. I have friends in both sides, but I have never been in touch with those nationalist Ukrainian people and, finally, realized how strong they are after they emerged in power as a result of the recent Maidan revolution. If they stay in power, I doubt they would save Ukraine from division into at least two halves. Most likely they will accelerate it. I also doubt they would make Ukraine a valuable asset for EU, because of their almost fascist ideology and instability. Obama and Kerry are poor diplomats. Their unequivocal support to the new government in Kiev will damage EU and push Russia closer to China. China is hungry for energy.

 

no they not, no needs to do so... but i dont carry about you guys(the richest country in the world) , lets get back on topic ?

 

If you did not care you would not have made a claim you can't back up. Obviously you care at least a little.

But making these claims you introduce them to the topic and make them part of the conversation. Just like I can't say "As we all know, all Russians rape children and kittens daily, but lets get back on topic" lol

 

i did it, you just refuse to see it . its a western construction

fact is:
http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=346371&p=1063679673#post1063679673

 

You did not do it...you projected your own assumption as if it were objective fact and then did not include any supporting evidence at all.

I asked you to give me an example of something you think our leaders have done against our will. You still have not answered that question. Your claims are not facts by default.